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In the discussion that began for Vivaldi you wrote a nice summary, "There's clearly no consensus so far that these links prohibit INFOBOXPURPOSE. These links appear to have support from the community, but perhaps there could be some clarification about their specific use in a future RFC." Vivaldi is unchanged, and a new removal of a works list happened for Aaron Copland, today. It tells me that while the links have support from the community, they have not from some editors. What can we do? I hate edit warring, but I'd also hate to see Copland without a link to the list to his works on 6 April when one of these works will be TFA. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:17, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't gone back to add the links for Vivaldi because the editor in question has shown a consistent need to battleground over the topic and is unlikely to stop. Same with the editor who made the change to Copland.

That said, there is no policy basis for removing those links. There was a clear consensus that those likes are fine for inclusion. Another editor is working on creating some guidance on that topic, but is waiting for the other infobox discussion to end. Nemov (talk) 14:42, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So you and I don't want to fight for the same good reasons, and then what? - I was on vacation and enjoyed not even looking. The MoS discussion is just sad, but in the end: who cares what the MoS says. Not the community as we have seen for Mozart and others. The list of works discussion, however, should have a more prominent summary, to fight off the next attempts to remove valuable information. I worked on Kafka, and it prepared me quite well for some features of the infobox "wars", but the idea to separate a composer from their creations tops it all in terms of kafkaesque. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:16, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Links to related articles is a pretty common feature in infoboxes so it shouldn't be difficult to create some guidance on how they're used. Hopefully, it can be done without too much drama. Nemov (talk) 15:31, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I like to see Appalachian Spring on the Main page today (not by me, just interested and reviewed), and I also made it my story. How do you like the compromise in the composer's infobox? - How do you like the statue (look up places) - I was undecided so show three versions ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like an improvement! Nemov (talk) 19:03, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's an improvement compared to nothing. I believe that it misses any indication that the works are compositions, which could be cured by making the pipe "more compositions", or have a parameter "occupation", listing "composer, critic, writer, teacher, pianist, conductor". But I have no energy left to argue, - I have three recent death articles on their way. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:22, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One elegant way of handling this can be viewed at Laurence Olivier which features a series box. Obviously, this can't be used in every situation, but there's probably a few articles with works where this would be useful. Nemov (talk) 19:26, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Olivier: that reminds me of the darkest time I experienced on Wikipedia, when an admin who protected the article because of edit warring over the hidden notice was desopped as "involved", and I was interrogated by AE because I had dared to ask the question if really the principal authors should decide, and made 3 comments in the discussion while I was restricted to 2. The admin left, and then died. I still miss my friend. We've come a long way since, and one of the hardliners moving forward to a compromise is again a step.) - I don't think such series navboxes would work for many. Bach has such monsters but I'm not too happy. - The statue is of Hildegard of Bingen, and as it happens, her Physica is on the Main page today, and Marian Anderson as my top story (by NBC, 1939), and below (on my talk) three people with raised arms, - and the place is the cherry blossom in Frauenstein. And Anderson's talk has such a nice infobox question and answer, from 2020 ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:01, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

plum tree blossom for Kalevi Kiviniemi in the snow - see my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:58, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

relief: the last of six RD articles in one week is now on the Main page - yesterday a great recital with many anti-war songs by Jewish composers whose music was banned by the Nazis. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:33, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The RD articles were followed by two birthdays in a row, and I prefer those (see my talk). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:26, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

today a sad task - memory of Andrew Davis - turned into entertainment (yt at the bottom of his article, actually both) - I had no time yet to check how many of the composers mentioned (most of them in the recordings section) have an infobox, and how many not, and why not? -- the latest pictures capture extreme weather --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:27, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]