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News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2023).

Guideline and policy news

• Following an RfC, TFAs will be automatically semi-protected the day before it is on the main page and through the day after.
• A discussion at WP:VPP about revision deletion and oversight for dead names found that [s]ysops can choose to use revdel if, in their view, it's the right tool for this situation, and they need not default to oversight. But oversight could well be right where there's a particularly high risk to the person. Use your judgment.

Technical news

• Special:Contributions now shows the user's local edit count and the account's creation date. (T324166)

Arbitration

• The SmallCat dispute case has closed. As part of the final decision, editors participating in XfD have been reminded to be careful about forming local consensus which may or may not reflect the broader community consensus. Regular closers of XfD forums were also encouraged to note when broader community discussion, or changes to policies and guidelines, would be helpful.

Miscellaneous

• Tech tip: The "Browse history interactively" banner shown at the top of Special:Diff can be used to easily look through a history, assemble composite diffs, or find out what archive something wound up in.

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 03:03, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. On 01:44, 9 September 2023 you closed my proposal about the election of Arbitration Committee members, with the rationale, "hatting this one per WP:SNOW". I reverted your closure on the grounds that i find it highly inappropriate to close a proposal without even giving it a chance to have some discussion, besides this system is used by organizations, read Sortition.

To me it is amazing that an election proposal by a veteran editor would be haphazardly closed just because. Evidently you don't seem to know the history of the origins of Wikipedia and how ridiculed was the idea of making an encyclopedia written by random largely anonymous contributors. I call on you to respect the proposals process and don't try to WP:OWN it without even giving them due time to be discussed. Thanks. Thinker78 (talk) 02:05, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Responded at the discussion. Mz7 (talk) 02:27, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Faizan878 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Tools: Editor interaction utility • Interaction Timeline • SPI Tools

• Reasons: The account was created after previous sock was banned. The users shares the same areas of interest especially Tamasha (season 2). The behaviours of the sock such as adding the newly created television pages to the same category (Category:2023 Pakistani television series debuts) after removing uncategorised tag, and adding blog as references (reviewit.pk). The user also provided no edit summaries as the sock does usually.

39.34.174.41 (talk) 18:23, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Mz7 , hopefully you are doing good. I need help. May you please grant me Rollback rights? I use SWViewer and Twinkle to revert vandalism. Alternatively, you can check my request on rollback request page here. Thank you. Tumbuka Arch^★_★^★ 10:26, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Thanks for handling the recent SPI case at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Magichero1234/Archive. Can you please see if the pages that have been targetted by these socks for years can be protected as well. I identify these as below:

• Deccan
• Deccan Plateau
• Deccani language
• Deccan sultanates
• Deccanis
• Hyderabad State
• Hyderabadi cuisine
• Annexation of Hyderabad
• Khubani-ka-Meetha
• Hyderabad massacres
• Abul A'la Maududi
• Hyderabadi Muslims
• Telangana Rebellion
• Hyderabad

Gotitbro (talk) 10:15, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Gotitbro: Apologies for the delay in responding. I sampled a few of these pages. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like these articles are edited frequently enough to warrant semi-protection under the protection policy. Generally, we only apply semi-protection for a few days or weeks at a time when vandalism is unusually frequent or disruptive. In cases like this where the articles are only edited a few times a month, I'm afraid the solution is usually to simply add them to your watchlist and revert as needed. If there is a particular page that is the target of unusually frequent disruption, I'd be happy to take a second look. Mz7 (talk) 01:15, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I see, though I was basing the request on the strength of recent page protections that have been granted due to extensive sock disruptions in the WP:CASTE space (as can be seen at User talk:Abecedare) which this does somewhat fall into.

But in any case please do take a look at Hyderabad State, Deccan (and Deccan Plateau), Hyderabadi Muslims and Khubani-ka-Meetha. These are regularly targetted by this network here without amiss. Gotitbro (talk) 03:37, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2023).

Guideline and policy news

• An RfC is open regarding amending the paid-contribution disclosure policy to add the following text: Any administrator soliciting clients for paid Wikipedia-related consulting or advising services not covered by other paid-contribution rules must disclose all clients on their userpage.

Technical news

• Administrators can now choose to add the user's user page to their watchlist when changing the usergroups for a user. This works both via Special:UserRights and via the API. (T272294)

Arbitration

• Remedy 9 ("MarioProtIV topic ban") of the WikiProject Tropical Cyclones case has been rescinded.

Miscellaneous

• The 2023 CheckUser and Oversight appointments process has concluded with the appointment of one new CheckUser.
• Self-nominations for the electoral commission for the 2023 Arbitration Committee elections opens on 2 October and closes on 8 October.

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2023).

Administrator changes

0xDeadbeef

Tamzin

Dennis Brown

Interface administrator changes

Pppery

• Ragesoss
• TheresNoTime

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

• The WMF is working on making it possible for administrators to edit MediaWiki configuration directly. This is similar to previous work on Special:EditGrowthConfig. A technical RfC is running until November 08, where you can provide feedback.
• There is a proposed plan for re-enabling the Graph Extension. Feedback on this proposal is requested.

Arbitration

• Eligible editors are invited to self-nominate themselves from 12 November 2023 until 21 November 2023 to stand in the 2023 Arbitration Committee elections.
• Xaosflux, RoySmith and Cyberpower678 have been appointed to the Electoral Commission for the 2023 Arbitration Committee Elections. BusterD is the reserve commissioner.
• Following a motion, the contentious topic designation of Prem Rawat has been struck. Actions previously taken using this contentious topic designation are still in force.
• Following several motions, multiple topic areas are no longer designated as a contentious topic. These contentious topic designations were from the Editor conduct in e-cigs articles, Liancourt Rocks, Longevity, Medicine, September 11 conspiracy theories, and Shakespeare authorship question cases.
• Following a motion, remedies 3.1 (All related articles under 1RR whenever the dispute over naming is concerned), 6 (Stalemate resolution) and 30 (Administrative supervision) of the Macedonia 2 case have been rescinded.
• Following a motion, remedy 6 (One-revert rule) of the The Troubles case has been amended.
• An arbitration case named Industrial agriculture has been opened. Evidence submissions in this case close 8 November.

Miscellaneous

• The Articles for Creation backlog drive is happening in November 2023, with 700+ drafts pending reviews for in the last 4 months or so. In addition to the AfC participants, all administrators and New Page Patrollers can conduct reviews using the helper script, Yet Another AFC Helper Script, which can be enabled in the Gadgets settings. Sign up here to participate!

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I believe you're the blocking admin for EnPassant—I seem to be a few months late on this, but the user seems to be fairly adamant on keeping the Retired template on their page despite being a user blocked for sockpuppetry, something they've claimed you're fine with. just wanted to bring it up with you. Darling (talk) 15:46, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Darling: I can understand the view (established in this discussion) that the {{retired}} template should not be used by editors blocked for sockpuppetry, but at the same time, I don't really see it as a big deal. It seems the main argument for disallowing the retired template is that it would be "misleading", but the editor's user page already has a tag which makes it clear they were blocked for sockpuppetry, and if they attempt to appeal their block, it will be evident that they did not retire voluntarily. Personally, I would just leave the editor be, especially considering that, before they were blocked, they did make many thousands of constructive edits. Mz7 (talk) 22:26, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page watcher) I believe where we left off in that discussion (after a mere six years of discussion) was that it's okay if they're not socking around the block. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|she) 22:33, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Aha, I missed that the specific wording is that it would be inappropriate to use the template if they continue socking after being blocked. I am on board with that. I'm not aware of EnPassant continuing to sock after I blocked their account, so using {{retired}} should be okay. Mz7 (talk) 00:41, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings - I usually go under the name of BeingObjective - I recently decided better to stop any further efforts to contribute to this initiative, I am a US based physician - I hit bumps from the get go - why am I telling you this? I did contribute a lot in a short time - but likely just a handful of attacks from a few individuals have been persistent - user WikiLinuz seemed to go on the attack before I even understood a single policy - I will not return to the platform, it is not worth the grief - perhaps indeed it is a temperament issue - I do think an objective review of how I was chased off the platform is worth an effort - I might simply not be a good fit, but wow the overt hostility and games played in this environment - simply staggering.

Cheers - 172.220.81.119 (talk) 05:20, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Mz7, I've mentioned you at WP:ANI#User:BeingObjective.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:37, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2023).

Guideline and policy news

• Following a talk page discussion, the Administrators' accountability policy has been updated to note that while it is considered best practice for administrators to have notifications (pings) enabled, this is not mandatory. Administrators who do not use notifications are now strongly encouraged to indicate this on their user page.

Arbitration

• Following a motion, the Extended Confirmed Restriction has been amended, removing the allowance for non-extended-confirmed editors to post constructive comments on the "Talk:" namespace. Now, non-extended-confirmed editors may use the "Talk:" namespace solely to make edit requests related to articles within the topic area, provided that their actions are not disruptive.
• The Arbitration Committee has announced a call for Checkusers and Oversighters, stating that it will currently be accepting applications for CheckUser and/or Oversight permissions at any point in the year.
• Eligible users are invited to vote on candidates for the Arbitration Committee until 23:59 December 11, 2023 (UTC). Candidate statements can be seen here.

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Merry Christmas, Mz7! Thank you for everything you do for the 'pedia. Here's to 2024! --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 07:21, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2023).

Arbitration

• Following the 2023 Arbitration Committee elections, the following editors have been appointed to the Arbitration Committee: Aoidh, Cabayi, Firefly, HJ Mitchell, Maxim, Sdrqaz, ToBeFree, Z1720.
• Following a motion, the Arbitration Committee rescinded the restrictions on the page name move discussions for the two Ireland pages that were enacted in June 2009.
• The arbitration case Industrial agriculture has been closed.

Miscellaneous

• The New Pages Patrol backlog drive is happening in January 2024 to reduce the backlog of articles in the new pages feed. Currently, there is a backlog of over 13,000 unreviewed articles awaiting review. Sign up here to participate!

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2024).

Guideline and policy news

• An RfC about increasing the inactivity requirement for Interface administrators is open for feedback.

Technical news

• Pages that use the JSON contentmodel will now use tabs instead of spaces for auto-indentation. This will significantly reduce the page size. (T326065)

Arbitration

• Following a motion, the Arbitration Committee adopted a new enforcement restriction on January 4, 2024, wherein the Committee may apply the 'Reliable source consensus-required restriction' to specified topic areas.
• Community feedback is requested for a draft to replace the "Information for administrators processing requests" section at WP:AE.

Miscellaneous

• Voting in the 2024 Steward elections will begin on 06 February 2024, 14:00 (UTC) and end on 27 February 2024, 14:00 (UTC). The confirmation process of current stewards is being held in parallel. You can automatically check your eligibility to vote.
• A vote to ratify the charter for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) is open till 2 February 2024, 23:59:59 (UTC) via Secure Poll. All eligible voters within the Wikimedia community have the opportunity to either support or oppose the adoption of the U4C Charter and share their reasons. The details of the voting process and voter eligibility can be found here.
• Community Tech has made some preliminary decisions about the future of the Community Wishlist Survey. In summary, they aim to develop a new, continuous intake system for community technical requests that improves prioritization, resource allocation, and communication regarding wishes. Read more
• The Unreferenced articles backlog drive is happening in February 2024 to reduce the backlog of articles tagged with {{Unreferenced}}. You can help reduce the backlog by adding citations to these articles. Sign up to participate!

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2024).

Guideline and policy news

• Phase I of the 2024 RfA review is now open for participation. Editors are invited to review, comment on, and propose improvements to the requests for adminship process.
• Following an RfC, the inactivity requirement for the removal of the interface administrator right increased from 6 months to 12 months.

Technical news

• The mobile site history pages now use the same HTML as the desktop history pages. (T353388)

Miscellaneous

• The 2024 appointees for the Ombuds commission are だ＊ぜ, AGK, Ameisenigel, Bennylin, Daniuu, Doǵu, Emufarmers, Faendalimas, MdsShakil, Minorax, Nehaoua, Renvoy and RoySmith as members, with Vermont serving as steward-observer.
• Following the 2024 Steward Elections, the following editors have been appointed as stewards: Ajraddatz, Albertoleoncio, EPIC, JJMC89, Johannnes89, Melos and Yahya.

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2024).

Administrator changes

• Kbdank71
• Kosack
• NrDg
• TLSuda

Guideline and policy news

• An RfC is open to convert all current and future community discretionary sanctions to (community designated) contentious topics procedure.

Technical news

• The Toolforge Grid Engine services have been shut down after the final migration process from Grid Engine to Kubernetes. (T313405)

Arbitration

• An arbitration case has been opened to look into "the intersection of managing conflict of interest editing with the harassment (outing) policy".

Miscellaneous

• Editors are invited to sign up for The Core Contest, an initiative running from April 15 to May 31, which aims to improve vital and other core articles on Wikipedia.

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:26, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like the bot does not correctly link to SPI's where the case is on a range (contains a /): <bot edit>, <case edit>.
The template didn't like that either and thinks that the case page is for "64". It feels like nothing was designed to support that, so not sure if bug. – 2804:F1...9E:9592 (talk) 05:46, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, the bot doesn't support that because SPI doesn't really support it either. I noticed that there is a named user in that case page, so I've moved the case under that username. Mz7 (talk) 13:22, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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