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Administrators' newsletter – January 2024[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2023).

Administrator changes

Clovermoss

Dennis Brown

• Julia W
• Marasmusine
• PBS

CheckUser changes

• Aoidh
• HJ Mitchell
• Sdrqaz
• Spicy
• ToBeFree
• Vanamonde93
• Z1720

Maxim

• Enterprisey
• Izno
• SilkTork

Oversighter changes

• Aoidh
• Firefly
• Sdrqaz
• ToBeFree
• Z1720

Maxim

• Enterprisey
• Izno
• SilkTork

Arbitration

• Following the 2023 Arbitration Committee elections, the following editors have been appointed to the Arbitration Committee: Aoidh, Cabayi, Firefly, HJ Mitchell, Maxim, Sdrqaz, ToBeFree, Z1720.
• Following a motion, the Arbitration Committee rescinded the restrictions on the page name move discussions for the two Ireland pages that were enacted in June 2009.
• The arbitration case Industrial agriculture has been closed.

Miscellaneous

• The New Pages Patrol backlog drive is happening in January 2024 to reduce the backlog of articles in the new pages feed. Currently, there is a backlog of over 13,000 unreviewed articles awaiting review. Sign up here to participate!

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Guild of Copy Editors 2023 Annual Report Our 2023 Annual Report is now ready for review. Highlights: Introduction Membership news, obituary and election results Summary of Drives, Blitzes and the Requests page Closing words – Your Guild coordinators: Dhtwiki, Miniapolis and Wracking. To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2024).

Administrator changes

• Kbdank71
• Kosack
• NrDg
• TLSuda

Guideline and policy news

• An RfC is open to convert all current and future community discretionary sanctions to (community designated) contentious topics procedure.

Technical news

• The Toolforge Grid Engine services have been shut down after the final migration process from Grid Engine to Kubernetes. (T313405)

Arbitration

• An arbitration case has been opened to look into "the intersection of managing conflict of interest editing with the harassment (outing) policy".

Miscellaneous

• Editors are invited to sign up for The Core Contest, an initiative running from April 15 to May 31, which aims to improve vital and other core articles on Wikipedia.

Hello Miniapolis,

Backlog update: The October drive reduced the article backlog from 11,626 to 7,609 and the redirect backlog from 16,985 to 6,431! Congratulations to Schminnte, who led with over 2,300 points.

Following that, New Page Patrol organized another backlog drive for articles in January 2024. The January drive started with 13,650 articles and reduced the backlog to 7,430 articles. Congratulations to JTtheOG, who achieved first place with 1,340 points in this drive.

Looking at the graph, it seems like backlog drives are one of the only things keeping the backlog under control. Another backlog drive is being planned for May. Feel free to participate in the May backlog drive planning discussion.

It's worth noting that both queues are gradually increasing again and are nearing 14,034 articles and 22,540 redirects. We encourage you to keep contributing, even if it's just a single patrol per day. Your support is greatly appreciated!

2023 Awards

Onel5969 won the 2023 cup with 17,761 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 50/day. There was one Platinum Award (10,000+ reviews), 2 Gold Awards (5000+ reviews), 6 Silver (2000+), 8 Bronze (1000+), 30 Iron (360+) and 70 more for the 100+ barnstar. Hey man im josh led on redirect reviews by clearing 36,175 of them. For the full details, see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone for their efforts in reviewing!

WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team and volunteer software developers deployed the rewritten NewPagesFeed in October, and then gave the NewPagesFeed a slight visual facelift in November. This concludes most major work to Special:NewPagesFeed, and most major work by the WMF Moderator Tools team, who wrapped up their major work on PageTriage in October. The WMF Moderator Tools team and volunteer software developers will continue small work on PageTriage as time permits.

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:26, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I'm new to the GOCE editing process and need help diffusing tension with another user. Let me know if I should look elsewhere for help, like the Teahouse.

Short version: I recently attempted to edit the SPARS page, for March drive, taking on a GOCE request that mentioned "possible ACN". Short version: resulted in tension with main contributor, Pendright, which can clearly be seen in the last post to Talk page. Help? Advice? Thanks.

I just want to diffuse the tension, I'll take whatever blame is due, and move on. What should I do next? (Maybe some of my unneeded comments could just be taken off the talk page?)

Because of RL, I may not reply back to you very quickly; but thanks in advance for your help.

Long version: (if it's helpful, or just skip, it's evident on talk page) In creating a mess, my efforts included making suggestions to talk page, like for future efforts for improvement, which I see now was probably perceived as biting and anti-ACN. I also made a list of my editing efforts, which probably wasn't needed. (And also seen as biting?)

Following my edits/talk page comments, the main contributor, Pendright, made a number of replies, I replied in kind: usually as apology or explanation to diffuse. I also posted to his talk page, explaining that I am a new editor, and thanking him for his patience. But the replies, postings to the talk page, and my responses only seem to have created more concerns and confusion, escalating in his latest post to SPARS talk page. I had added, hoping-to-be-helpful, a list of my "errors" that still needed to be corrected (from the editing), in response to him pointing them out: this resulted in more confusion.

I'm very sure I did a number of things wrong, or could have done them better (like not posting so much on the talk page after editing it): feel free to let me know. But I'm more concerned, right now, with easing the mind of the concerned user. Thanks, again. — Yogabear2020 (N.B. NoviceEditor; Talk) 15:29, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) Without digging too much into the details, my advice as someone who has gotten into this situation in the past is to be a bit less involved. Do your copy edit, leave a few comments, and unwatch the page. Often, people who really care about the page will (a) get worked up about small style changes and (b) respond back-and-forth about copy-editing issues and take up a lot of your time.
That said, Later, their training took place at Palm Beach, Florida, in the Biltmore Hotel that was remodeled for use as a training center. is wrong IMO; "Hotel, which had been" would have been better. It's not worth fighting about though. I don't know who chose that wording, or who chose the incorrect (again IMO) semicolons in constructions like The training covered instruction on subjects such as: USCG activities and organization; personnel; and current events. Commas would have been better there. If you chose those two constructions, take a look at a few grammar and usage guides on that/which and semicolon/comma usage. Again, though, I would not get involved or try to fight; let an impartial reviewer review the prose. Move on to more copy editing. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:11, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @Jonesey95:, all your comments are helpful. I'll look over those usage issues and review the grammar, and will follow your other advice. The whole c/e had already been done, and it wasn't being reverted as I was doing c/e, as much as comments after it was over. I did finally find the clear guidance on Resolving user conduct disputes and will move on, per your advice, but send a note just simply saying politely "I'm moving on" to other user, and then unwatch the page. Thanks for your support. Sorry to Miniapolis for clogging up your page. — Yogabear2020 (N.B. NoviceEditor; Talk) 00:05, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) Miniapolis, I hope you don't mind me posting here. Hi @Yogabear2020:, thanks for your copy-editing work, I'm sorry you had difficulties with this article but I'm glad to see you made extensive use of the talk page. While it seems easy to outsiders, copy-editing is a skilled task and even experienced editors make mistakes, so learn from this but don't let it put you off. If you notice yourself making daft mistakes, it's best to quickly fix them yourself with a minimum of fuss and take a break; you can always come back to it when you're rested. Revert yourself if you need to; no-one will think any worse of you. If I feel I can't properly copy-edit an article, of if my efforts are being reverted, I'll generally revert to the pre-c/e version if necessary, mark the request with Abandoned, add a short note giving my reasons and move on to the next one; life's too short and there are plenty more requests in the sea. Also, you can always ask one of us and we'll advise you if we can. I hope you'll continue to copy-edit articles. Good luck and cheers, Baffle☿gab 20:14, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks also @Baffle gab1978:, super good advice, and very welcoming. Appreciated. I did attempt another c/e, which went much better, and will try again. Now following your advice, and taking a break. Cheers back. Sorry again to Miniapolis. But for now I think I have the help I need. — Yogabear2020 (N.B. NoviceEditor; Talk) 00:15, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Jonesey95 and Baffle; I've been AFK with family here for yesterday's solar eclipse. Yogabear2020, you may not want any more advice but I suggest learning to copyedit by working on lower-stakes articles: backlog articles rather than GANs, FACs or ACNs. The standards for these promotions are high (particularly for FACs and ACNs), and their prose is closely scrutinized; copyediting is easier without someone looking over your shoulder. Have fun and all the best, Miniapolis 21:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, that makes sense. I tried an old backlog without a lot of traffic for my first, and I'll take your advice for the next until I have a better sense of the process. I didn't understand the 'stakes' for an ACN, but the issue seems to be resolved. Glad to hear that you could enjoy the eclipse. We only had 93% here, and it was still very exciting. Thanks for your reply, much appreciated. — Yogabear2020 (N.B. NoviceEditor; Talk) 00:25, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Guild of Copy Editors April 2024 Newsletter Hello and welcome to the April 2024 newsletter, a quarterly digest of Guild activities since December. Don't forget you can unsubscribe at any time; see below. We extend a warm welcome to all of our new members. We wish you all happy copy-editing. Election results: In our December 2023 coordinator election, Zippybonzo stepped down as coordinator; we thank them for their service. Incumbents Dhtwiki and Miniapolis were reelected coordinators, and Wracking was newly elected coordinator, to serve through 30 June. Nominations for our mid-year Election of Coordinators will open on 1 June (UTC). Drive: 46 editors signed up for our January Backlog Elimination Drive, 32 of whom claimed at least one copy-edit. Between them, they copy-edited 289 articles totaling 626,729 words. Barnstars awarded are here. Blitz: 23 editors signed up for our February Copy Editing Blitz. 18 claimed at least one copy-edit and between them, they copy-edited 100,293 words in 32 articles. Barnstars awarded are here. Drive: 53 editors signed up for our March Backlog Elimination Drive, 34 of whom claimed at least one copy-edit. Between them, they copy-edited 300 articles totaling 587,828 words. Barnstars awarded are here. Blitz: Sign up for our April Copy Editing Blitz, which runs from 14 to 20 April. Barnstars will be awarded here. Progress report: As of 23:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC), GOCE copyeditors have processed 109 requests since 1 January 2024, and the backlog stands at 2,480 articles. Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from Baffle gab1978 and your GOCE coordinators Dhtwiki, Miniapolis and Wracking. To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:14, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]