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Good article?

I am surprised that this article was given "good article" status. First of all, it is not especially well-written and could definitely use more proofreading. Second of all, it has a supermarket tabloid-esque quality to it. In fairness, the supermarket tabloid-esque quality may be inevitable given who the article is about. MonMothma (talk) 02:08, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article achieved good article status two-and-a-half years ago and has certainly diminished in quality since then. Curbon7 (talk) 06:33, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We need rather more concrete proposals to work with, what are your specific objections? Slatersteven (talk) 11:09, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was surprised, too. In any case - a little example, if anyone cares - comma error (needed after Georgia):
Cumming, Georgia in 1992 SuzQ! (talk) 14:51, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Name

Why is she referred to as Greene throughout the whole article when her last name is Taylor Greene? --FMSky (talk) 07:14, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is what reliable sources do, eg here.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 11:05, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
She is listed as Greene in the Congressional directory and uses that name in her press releases. Taylor is her maiden name, which some women use as a middle name. TFD (talk) 12:19, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neutrality Dispute Tag

I feel like there's good reason to remove the NPOV dispute tag per the parameters of removal for POV tags given this edit addressing the issue and a seeming lack of any further discussion. Coalah (talk) 18:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Removed. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:24, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The tag was a WP:DRIVEBY by an editor with zero edits to either this page or the talk page prior to the addition of the page. The existing version was absolutely fine as it was. I've restored it. ser! (chat to me - see my edits) 18:41, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Labelling her far-right isn't wrong but she's also commonly called right-wing, so including both makes more sense to me and seems more neutral --FMSky (talk) 18:53, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
She's much more widely described as far-right than right wing. Looking at the sources you added for right wing: this one also calls her far-right, this one doesn't even mention "right wing" and instead says she has a history of spreading "far-right conspiracy theories", the third one is an op-ed which calls her viewpoints "vile" and probably isn't great to use on a BLP, and this one appears to be a local news outlet which isn't quite as good as the litany of other RSPs calling her far-right. That leaves an article from TruthOut and SkyNews, which in themselves aren't enough to add "has also been called right-wing" without providing WP:FALSEBALANCE. ser! (chat to me - see my edits) 18:58, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These were just the first ones I found after 5 minutes googling, there are tons more. But either way I just think its wrong to tag her right in the opening sentence. Imo saying "has often been described as far-right" would sound less loaded, but thats just me --FMSky (talk) 19:00, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect, do you not think this might be a bit WP:POINTy given you added "far-left" to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's article (a much less frequently used label for her than this for MTG, might I add), citing this exact article as an example? Either you think it's "wrong to tag" people in the opening sentence or not, and I can't tell which. ser! (chat to me - see my edits) 19:04, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I literally did that because this page had far-right right in the opening sentence. It goes both ways. I also proposed another version there https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alexandria_Ocasio-Cortez&oldid=1213359430 Notice how I try different versions, try to find compromises while other users are just dead-set on their preferred ones. Really interesting imo --FMSky (talk) 19:06, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Right, so you're not necessarily against adding labels, good to know. The amount of sources describing MTG as being on the far-right are substantive enough, as determined by past discussions, to highlight it as prominently as it is in this article - hell, most of the reason she is known is for being a far-right politician, as if she was just a regular right-wing Republican two-term incumbent she'd be nowhere near as notable. ser! (chat to me - see my edits) 19:30, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not a massive fan of "far-right" in general (or for that matter "far-left", as per my edit on another female US politican recently). However, there's always an exception or two, and really if any US politician has the weight of reliable sources calling them "far-right", it's MTG, who is the definition of the phrase. I mean, just read that second paragraph in the lede. Black Kite (talk) 19:37, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You guys may be right. I just hadnt seen it on any politician before tbh --FMSky (talk) 19:59, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do not think we should be describing modern politicians with "far-right" or "far-left" in the first sentence of the lede. I think it is WP:UNDUE because such terms are meaningless on their own (when compared to actual ideologies like communist or liberal) and need explanation, which can only occur further into the lede, and is often a lazy and cheap way of getting out of explaining entirely (such as in Josh Mandel). Curbon7 (talk) 21:32, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with this. The only time such labels should be used in the lead in WP:WIKIVOICE is if they're pulled from historians analyses, in which case the subjects are often deceased. Doing so on the basis of partisan sources that like to use labels to sensationalize headlines is incredibly irresponsible as an encyclopedia and almost certainly warrants further discussion per WP:BLPCT. Almost every modern controversial politician will have contentious labels associated with them (and this goes for either side) by the main stream media. That doesn't mean we need to use them as well to describe them in a lead. (There is certainly an argument to include it in the body where we describe how they are portrayed in modern media.) Kcmastrpc (talk) 22:39, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could you let us know which sources currently used for this claim you view as "partisan"? I'm near certain all of them are reliable sources per WP:RSP. ser! (chat to me - see my edits) 17:27, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just because a source is deemed reliable does not guarantee it is without bias or partisanship -- especially when it comes to politics. I presumed that an editor with your experience would know that. WP:BIASED Kcmastrpc (talk) 18:00, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, but much of the sources on RSP are deemed reliable because of their lack of bias. Could you tell us which sources you consider "partisan"? ser! (chat to me - see my edits) 18:56, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think an RFC is needed to clear this up --FMSky (talk) 15:58, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would support an RFC if you were so inclined to open one. Kcmastrpc (talk) 18:01, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see no support in any policy not to describe modern politicians as far-right or far-left, if that is how reliable sources describe them. Quite the opposite : see WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Jeppiz (talk) 16:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First off, IDONTLIKEIT is about arguments to avoid in discussions. Secondly, reliably sourced coverage is the basis of every article we have. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:04, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Most particularly when we're dealing with a BLP subject. BusterD (talk) 18:07, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which is exactly why we city such a large number of reliable sources all characterization MTG as far-right. Jeppiz (talk) 21:57, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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