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Request concerning Dev0745

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

Dympies (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 15:02, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested

Dev0745 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. 15 December - Misrepresentation of sources. The source does not mention that "27.27" figure for Bhil group in Gujarat.[1]
2. 20 December
3. 20 December
4. 20 December
5. 21 December

Problem with all these 4 diffs is that the cited source,[2] does not support the wording that "But muslim clerics of Jharkhand forbid music and dance in weddings, terming it as unislamic practice". The source only talks about "A group of Muslim clerics".

This is happening even after long discussions at User_talk:Dev0745#Nagpuria_people, User_talk:Dev0745#November_2022, User_talk:Dev0745#Please_add_nothing_to_the_article_Dom_(caste)_without_modern_academic_sources.

Now if I revert him, then he will edit war and if I discuss him then he will be simply choosing to double down on his incompetence.

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

Topic banned "from all pages and discussions related to Citizenship (Amendment) Act, 2019, including the associated protests".

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

[3]

Response: Dev0745 was already warned by Johnuniq that if he engaged in misrepresentation of sources then he will be topic banned from entire subject of India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.[4][5]

Below response by Dev0745 shows he engaged in WP:OR and he is still misrepresenting the source.

How "Some muslim clerics ban dance and music during weddings in Jharkhand terming it as un-Islamic Practices" would be correct representation? Jharkhand is huge and the source talks about only "a group" of cleric in Dhanbad district.[6]

This is why I believe that Dev0745 should be topic banned. He is just not able to edit in this area with this much incompetence. Dympies (talk) 05:28, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• @Seraphimblade: I participated on talk page (See Talk:Nagpuria_people#Focus) and found that there are serious conduct issues with Dev0745 that's why I attempted to tell him about policies and guidelines on his talk page but he failed to grasp. This user is being told for over 4 years not to add irrelevant content to Nagpuria people by multiple editors. Fact that this user is still not able to grasp important policies such as WP:OR, WP:UNDUE and prefers edit warring over a prolonged period even after getting topic banned and blocked (recently) and is still repeating same problems, then what else we are waiting for? He is editing serious subjects yet he still not willing to represent sources correctly or let others fix his poor edits in violation of WP:OR. Dympies (talk) 12:03, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• This recent response by Dev0745 is clear evidence of poor behavior. Anyone can see that Sitush also told Dev0745 about irrelevant content he is adding at Talk:Nagpuria people#Focus (not to mention long discussion at User_talk:Dev0745#Nagpuria_people over his misconduct) yet he falsely claims that he never got any explanation for his edits. Dympies (talk) 12:54, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

[7]

Discussion concerning Dev0745

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Statement by Dev0745

1.Source mention Y Haplogroup H* 18.18% and 9.09% H1 among Gujarat Bhils in table:1, which makes H haplogroup 27.27%.[8] So 27.27% is correct. The page Y-DNA haplogroups in populations of South Asia has also same figure.

2. Article title is "Clerics Term Dance And Music During Weddings In Jharkhand's Dhanbad 'Un-Islamic Practices.[9] So I had written what the article say that muslim clerics forbid music and dance in weddings, terming it as unislamic. According to article The clerics have said that marriages would be solemnized according to Islamic religion and there would be no dance, playing of DJ music and display of fireworks, while saying those violating diktat would be fined. But later in article it is mentioned that a group of clerics has banned “un-Islamic practices” which I not clearly noticed. So I think sentence should be corrected to "Some muslim clerics ban dance and music during weddings in Jharkhand terming it as un-Islamic Practices. Minor mistakes happens in the interpretation due to not reading article thoroughly. About the WP:Synth issue, I have added what sources say in different sentences. Dev0745 (talk) 15:56, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think the user Dympies has some issue in explaining his/her point to other users as he/she may sometimes right but not always. Dympies's first point i.e terming 27.27% of Y Haplogroup among bhil as incorrect is wrong as according to data table it is correct. The second is my minor misinterpretation as in palce of muslim clerics, some muslim clerics should be added. So it is minor mistake of interpretation. I think there are chances of such minor mistake of interpretation by any editor. Also I had exam, so I have not read Wikipedia policy fully. I only know few basic policy. I will edit Wikipedia after reading Wikipedia policy fully.

Response: Dhanbad district is in Jharkhand. So I think some muslims clerics in Jharkhand ban music and dance in weddings is not incorrect. Dev0745 (talk) 11:31, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Bookku, Seraphimblade, agree with you both. Dev0745 (talk) 12:21, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Dympies, if you are not agree with my edits, then you can edit or remove it. I am not against your edits but what you had done is reverted my edits of 4 years without verifing it which is against Wikipedia policy and you seem to remove content but failed to explain your edits in accordance with Wikipedia policy. Dev0745 (talk) 12:38, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Dympies, It is not explanation of Sitush but your.
• The reply by Dympies about poor behaviour about me is Dympies lack of WP:civility. According to Wikipedia policy huge content should not be removed without discussion. Terming and removal of all content and source [here] added during 4 years as WP:OR and WP:UNDUE is not correct as many were well sourced. Some were unreliable source as I was not aware that British era source are unreliable. Later I removed them. Dev0745 (talk) 18:08, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Srijanx22, The user Chaipau was added Adivasia for Assam Sadri language even if it is not mention by scholars. Later he agreed to stick to scholarly source by removing it. See Talk:People of Assam#Tea Labourers. It mention Kol means Pig although it is not theory but another meaning. I was not aware about which is reliable sources then while editing page Khortha language, see:[10]. In page Lohra, the source is pdf of 1936 about Scheduled Caste. then I was not aware that British era source are unreliable. It mentioned those profess tribal religion should not be included in Schedule Caste. Also tribe were those who were not following Hinduism (Brahmanism another word for hinduism during 18th century as Brhamins were spritual authority of hindu religion). See the print article, During British period "Hindu is anyone who is not “European, Armenian, Moghul, Persian or other foreign descent, who is a member of a recognised caste, who acknowledges the spiritual authority of Brahmans (priestly caste), who venerates or at least refuses to kill or harm kine, and does not profess any creed or religion which the Brahman forbids him to profess”"[11]. The another word used for hinduism in 18th and 19th century and still used is Brahminism.^[1] Although source not mention Brahminism but the people were included in tribe list those who were not acknowledged spiritual authority of Brahmins. Dev0745 (talk) 13:44, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Reply to comment by Srijanx22, I was unaware about reliable sources and WP:Synth. I am aware about WP:OR. Still I am unware about many policies. But I am trying to learn. I try as much as to follow Wikipedia policy. I will be cautious and try to follow Wikipedia policy in future.Dev0745 (talk) 08:15, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Seraphimblade, Callanecc, agree. I have to be cautious. Dev0745 (talk) 15:58, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (Bookku)

• I did not get word 'Bhil' in simple search of the cited source, if it is in attached files then not clear. In spite of reservations about Dev0745 why it can not be discussed @ article talk as a different point and RfC there after if needed is not clear.
  • WP policy WP:CALC allows simple mathematical calculation , but if that can be applied here WP:RfC is best thing.
• Some people of a particular tribe are Muslim and Some Muslim clerics have reservations about some cultural practices (without naming tribe) are differently sourced and Dev0745 need to be explained about WP:Synth issue. A simple 3rd opinion would have been helpful.
• Dev0745's attitude I will listen only to admins is not correct. They (actually both) should try other DR options like WP:3O & WP:DRN. And then WP:RfC (IMO through RfCs I learned many things and despite limitation it's a great equalizer)
• I came across both users at different discussions and found them to be assertive. And when two assertive people come across each other then acrimony is possible. No one can eat whole cake of issues, breaking the cake of problems in single single separate issues and following WP:Dispute resolution process is only the solution.
• Despite prejudices WP:DR is solution and WP:ARE seems bit too early. Bookku (talk) 05:12, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • H* 18.18% and 9.09% H1 Checked and verified in Table 1 (after @ Dev0745 updated their comment for the same. I am not expert to say if their mathematical addition of H* and H1 is allowed or not while reporting genetics) Bookku (talk) 10:59, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Just explained Dev0745 the flaw resulting in synth in detail @ Talk:Sadan peoples and advised to take step back on Synth issue. Bookku (talk) 11:52, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• After Dympies' latest comment I revisited, [12] of the article Nagpuria people indicates they co–operated other users by removing some old sources content as asked for, they have entered good dialogue @ Talk:Dom (caste) they seem to have engaged in reasonable dialogue with another user after initial disagreements. I, myself, came across Dev0745 since they had removed some of my content for not being relevant some part I agreed some they agreed afterwards @ Talk WP:DUE. They are still to understand some of WP:RS policies which may need some mentoring some cool headed discourse with them, IMO that is achievable with due WP:DR processes. Bookku (talk) 14:35, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Feedback by Srijanx22 seems to confirm that Dev0745 needs to improve in avoiding WP:Synth and learn WP:RS policies more closely. Bookku (talk) 15:02, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Srijaxn22

Dev0745 is very frequent with his misrepresentation of sources. It was was already called out on October - November 2022 at Talk:People of Assam#Tea Labourers. Instead of agreeing with the problem he was edit warring by terming another editor's edit as "please don't speard propaganda".[13]

On Kol people he described "some grievances has been come out from the adivasi leaders that the Biharis used to call them 'Kol' which means pig, that in turn aroused bitterness and hatred against the Biharis" (from source), a lame slur as: "According to another theory, Kol means Pig."[14] But there is no "theory".

He used completely unreliable source here on 7 November.

I also recall Lohra (tribe) which he created on 30 October. Here, he has made yet another misrepresentation of another source by claiming "those who were following tribal religion or not following Brahminism were included in Backward tribes", contrary to the source that makes no mention of "Brahminism" or even its broader form "Hinduism".[15] It mentions "Buddhism" (a different religion) but it couldn't be a typo because it talks about "person who professes Buddhism or a tribal religion" while "following tribal religion or not following Brahminism" gives a completely different picture. The text version of this PDF can be accessed here.

A topic ban from anything related to Indian social communities is the least I would recommend. Srijanx22 (talk) 13:09, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• I have read response from Dev0745 and I believe that his explanations fail to provide any confidence if he is willing to be careful with his representation of sources or even understand that this is a collaborative project. I am more confident that a topic from Indian social communities is much needed for this editor. Srijanx22 (talk) 03:22, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Dev0745

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

• I'm not terribly impressed with the filer here, Dympies, calling another editor "incompetent" twice in this very request. If that's your usual level of civility in discourse, I suggest it improve rapidly, or you may be the one facing sanctions. Other than that, this looks like a content dispute, and those aren't solved here. I would first strongly suggest that discussions regarding content be held on article talk pages, not user talk pages, as that allows other editors to more easily see the discussion and participate, so to begin with, take the discussion to the appropriate article talk pages, and if you can't come to agreement there, seek dispute resolution like a third opinion or request for comment. That said, Dev0745, be mindful of policies like no original research and, since I notice repeated use of phrases like "it is said", weasel wording when you are editing. You've already been warned about those issues by two highly experienced editors, so please slow it down and make sure the references you are citing explicitly support the material you add to articles, without any need for interpretation. If these problems continue, both of you may find yourselves taking a break from this area entirely. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 11:42, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Having seen things play out here, unless any uninvolved admin objects, I would close this with a logged warning to Dev0745 to use only reliable sources, to familiarize themself with the policies and existing consensus regarding such sources in the topic area, and to be more willing to listen to other editors. To Dympies, I would give an informal warning regarding civility in discussions—even when one is right, civility is still a requirement. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 13:02, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  @Seraphimblade: I agree that a logged warning seems sufficient here. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 09:13, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Request concerning Scientelensia

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

SandyGeorgia (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 18:20, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested

Scientelensia (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender and sexuality#Standard discretionary sanctions

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. 30 Nov 2022: Adds an entire paragraph to a Featured article with a laundry list of actor positions (content that was specifically rejected at the widely attended Spring 2022 FAR)

   Reverted by Victoriaearle with explanation on talk

2. 15 Dec 2022 and here: Re-adds content with laundry list of supporting and opposing actors. Also adds content under discussion on talk since 13 December

   Reverted by SandyGeorgia

   Discretionary sanctions alert at 15 Dec 2022 15:22

3. 15 Dec 2022 16:20 After discretionary sanctions alert, re-adds (now briefer) comment about content then being discussed via a specific draft on talk

   Reverted by DMVHistorian

   Request to engage talk left on 15 Dec 16:42

   (Note: this editor has never engaged article talk)

4. 22 Dec 2022 Adds more marginal content, with some marginal sources, still never having engaged article talk.

   Reverted by Firefangledfeathers

SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:20, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

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• Alerted about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, see the system log linked to above: Discretionary sanctions alert at 15 Dec 2022 15:22. This comment on their user talk page indicates they saw or read the discretionary alert. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:20, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

I have never before filed a request for enforcement of discretionary sanctions, and am unaware if this is the best way to proceed in a case like this, or if I am filing it correctly, but this editor is not engaging article talk and is repeatedly adding sub-par content to a Featured article that saw a widely attended Featured article review this year. With the first two diffs, I understand the new-ish editor may not have been familiar with the FAR, and by the third diff, may still not have understood discretionary sanctions. But by the fourth diff, it appears some stronger guidance is in order. 3RR does not seem to be the appropriate place to seek admin intervention, as the content added has varied. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:20, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I see Scientelensia has now attempted to engage. With a sprained wrist, I have not been in a position to give the extended explanations warranted for a new user since my revert (second diff), still catching up, and am hoping that if others engage with a more detailed explanation of WP:WIAFA and what it means, including the importance of high-quality sourcing and gaining consensus on article talk (for any article), that a warning will suffice here rather than sanctions. I am only now noticing that no one ever welcomed Scientelensia, and that has now been done. The steady drib-drab at JKR can be exhausting to keep up with, so I am going to propose at talk that we add an edit notice.[16] SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:17, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Callanecc, Seraphimblade, and In actu: As of 24 Dec, Scientelensia is edit warring on another JKR- and gender-related article, and does not seem to be getting the message:[17] [18] there are too many diffs at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gender_Recognition_Reform_(Scotland)_Bill&action=history for 24 December alone to list. (I can come back with list when not iPad editing if needed.) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:03, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also personalizing disputes and still not posting in their own section, so this begins to look like WP:CIR and WP:NOTHERE. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:16, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• 23 Dec 18:26 to 20:18, adding select individual views and poll
• 24 Dec 11:42 to 12:17 readding polls
• 24 Dec 12:52 to 13:00 adding polls and primary sources
• 24 Dec 13:01 to 13:02 re-adding reverted content
• 24 Dec 13:05 to 13:16 still adding polls with discussion finally on talk
• 24 Dec 15:01 to 15:03 readding deleted content
• 15:10 again
• 15:17 again
• 15:23 to 24 again re-adding deleted content
• 15:30 again
• 15:44 again

(Nothing that Scientelensia is not the only editor who is edit warring who is already aware of DS). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:41, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Update 2: now similar at Lord Voldemort. [19] [20] Scientelensia is still not understanding that when edits have been reverted, they should gain consensus on talk before re-instating. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:52, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Notified, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:24, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion concerning Scientelensia

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Statement by Scientelensia

Sorry, I take full responsibility, I did not really understand that you should use the talk page for featured articled but I will now. Scientelensia (talk) 23:35, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from SandyGeorgia's section by Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) at 04:28, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• In terms of the content added, I had no idea what the Spring 2022 FAR was and so did not know that actor positions were not useful as the article stated that leading actors condemned her comments so I thought it would be useful to show which actors condemned her and which ones supported her. Scientelensia (talk) 09:07, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  The sources I used were sometimes from entertainment magazines but in this case they were all valid. Scientelensia (talk) 09:09, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• (I have just discovered this section…) From now, I’ve mainly been making small copy edits on little-used pages and am now using the talk page on bigger ones. I still believe that the JK Rowling article deserves more perspectives despite how well it is written, but if I want to add something I will go on the talk page as this result in the proposed content being considered (I agree this is much better) :D

Moved from results section by In actu (Guerillero) ^{Parlez Moi} 09:14, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• • Oh, sorry – do you mean my talk page? Scientelensia (talk) 12:04, 23 December 2022 (UTC)Moved to own section by Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 12:13, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I am willing to do so, thank you! Scientelensia (talk) 12:03, 23 December 2022 (UTC)Moved to own section by Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 12:13, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Sorry Seraphimblade, I just discovered this section before and have not been commenting below since (as you can see from above when I said I had just discovered the section).

  Thank you! Scientelensia (talk) 15:45, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  On the second dispute,

  Talk:Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill#Opposition Scientelensia (talk) 18:49, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from results section by Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 17:17, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to mention here that I added some content which other viewers agreed as useful, but the user above removed it many times, trying to provoke edit warring. In the article, there was a section for Support and a section for Opposition. As the user supported the bill, they removed almost everything in the opposition multiple time, which provoked annoyance from other users who wanted the article to be fair. I did many things the user asked me, such as removing language such as “widely considered” which had previously been in the article, and updating referencing, but the user was warned of edit warring and still did not stop. Scientelensia (talk) 18:20, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also, as the user themselves mentioned many times, they believe the article is in no war related to JKR. Scientelensia (talk) 18:20, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

When I say the user above, I mean Sparkle1. I would like to say that most on the talk page either agreed with or helpfully added to the content, whereas Sparkle1 destroyed content from myself and other. I wouldn’t have undid their edits if they added to things and were neutral, but I didn’t want to let a user corrupt others’ experiences when I could do something about it.

I added many things to both Support and Opposition and even a poll conducted by the Scottish Government, but the user had decided that this was not to their taste, and deleted this with no comment on the talk page. As previously requested of me, I reverted this with general consensus on the talk page, provoking Sparkle1 to mercilessly delete content.

User SandyGeorgia calls the below text “individual views”, however, it is true that a higher number of MSPs have not voted against an SNP motion before; this is not individual. In regard to polls, I simply looked up polls about the bill and added them. I mean no offence to this user who is well-established but these are not individual views. If you look at that version of the article you can verify this.

However, nine Members of the Scottish Parliament elected not to vote with the SNP government whip during the voting process, which is known to be the largest rebellion in the SNP's 15-year history in government.^[1]

A more recent poll concluded that more than two thirds of Scotland’s voters opposed the bill, and a poll conducted by CARE, an organisation working to prevent self-harm, gambling and suicide, found that 60% of Scots opposed the bill. (This paragraph did include references, but I had to delete them from this post as they didn’t seem to register as above and just made teh text underlined for some reason, sorry)

Once again, I am sorry to have restored content but I did this due to another user’s vandalism, which I believed was inappropriate, as did others in the talk page. Scientelensia (talk) 18:31, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at the talk page, you can see the user Sparkle1 swearing at users who they do not agree with. Scientelensia (talk) 18:32, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Finally, After the first issue I have been using talk pages when the article is big, you can see this if you look at the Reform Bill's page. Mainly I have been staying away from gender-related topics as they are very loaded but I've used the talk page where necessary. I've learnt that the hard way! Right now though, I plan to edit this page and create one for a village nearby which doesn't have its own. I'll understand any decision you make but I beg you to make it in relation to this and also knowing that the second incident wasn't entirely me and not really related to gender: an edit war could have happened on any article where two people have different POVs. Scientelensia (talk) 09:33, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To user SandyGeorgia.

The user has been kind and asked me to add references, which I forgot. The changes were approved but I forgot to add referencing. You don't have to punish me for every minor mistake just because I made a sizeable one early on! We should be welcoming new people to wikipedia. I know that we disagreed once but you don't have to make my time on this platform hell! Scientelensia (talk) 19:02, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Scientelensia

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

• @Scientelensia: You mentioned above that you now understand that you should use the talk page for a featured article but I'm hoping that you could respond in some more detail about the actual issue that SandyGeorgia is reporting. That is, what you understand the type of content that should be added to articles and the types of sources that need to be used to support it. The secondary issue is about the talk page, could you please explain when you would go to the talk page to discuss something. Note as well that you have your own section to respond so that all of your comments are kept together, the section has your username in it. Thank you, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 04:33, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Based on Scientelensia's comments above, and more importantly their actions in now engaging on the talk page, I suggest we close this with no further action required. While I see that there's an argument for an informal warning per Seraphimblade below considering how new Scientelensia is and that they're now engaging appropriately I don't think we really need to. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 00:46, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Based on recent developments at Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill and its talk page (links in SandyGeorgia's section) I now believe that a topic ban is necessary. I'm thinking that, given the issues with Scientelensia's extend beyond the connection between JK Rowling and gender, a broader topic ban from gender-related disputes and from J. K. Rowling would be needed. Given that Scientelensia is a newish editor I'd lean towards making it timelimted (I'm thinking 6-12 months) rather than indefinite so that they can return to this area after gaining some expereince in other topic areas without the need to go through the time consuming appeal process. If problematic editing continues the TBAN can always be extended or reenacted. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 07:22, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• I would also like to hear Scientelensia's answer to Callanecc's questions --In actu (Guerillero) ^{Parlez Moi} 08:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please only edit in your section, Scientelensia --In actu (Guerillero) ^{Parlez Moi} 09:14, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Scientelensia's inability to not edit outside of their section does not give me hope that an informal warning will stop the disruption. I am starting to think a logged warning or a topic ban is the way to go --Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 17:17, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Scientelensia, while I'm willing to believe you that you weren't aware of the prior discussion regarding the material you added, that's why you go to the talk page, where someone could have made you aware. Wikipedia is a collaborative project, so once it becomes clear someone disagrees with what you're doing, start a discussion with them rather than just plowing ahead. As long as you're willing to agree to do that going forward, I would be inclined toward just issuing an informal warning in this instance rather than any sanction, but next time please be aware that willingness to engage in discussion is required for participation here (and that's true whether the article in question is an FA or the barest stub). Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 11:54, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Scientelensia, Guerillero already instructed you to edit only in your own section, as is the standard for AE and contained in the instructions above. That means that in this request, edit only the section entitled "Statement by Scientelensia". Do not again edit in this results section, or any other editor's section. If you continue doing that, I'm going to start wondering whether you're actually listening to what anyone is telling you, or just saying "Yes, yes" to avoid a sanction. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 12:15, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Given the developments here, I've got no objection to the proposal by Callanecc. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 15:44, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Well, I was, anyway, but I'm going to have to take some time to check over the more recent developments. At this point I don't think I'd support closing without even a warning. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 17:54, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Request concerning Vladdy Daddy Silly

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

Tgeorgescu (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 21:52, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested

Vladdy Daddy Silly (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

WP:ARBEE

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. [21] 23 December 2022 — Vexatious wiki-litigator, especially stubborn denialism that that source is both international and academic, seems to be either faking it or they are completely unaware of the source they have deleted from the article, such edits make sense only if they are meant as comedy. It is as if a strawman sockpuppet is making fun of Romanian nationalists.
2. [22] same as above
3. [23] same as above

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

• Alerted about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, see the system log linked to above. [24] 22 December 2022

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

@Vladdy Daddy Silly: Did your read the summaries from [25]? Both summaries from that page cannot be true at the same time.

You seem to completely lack any awareness that it is a book edited by the Hungarian Academy of Sciences and published by Columbia University Press.

Second removal was a mobile edit, but first removal wasn't ([26]). And it wasn't a WP:VisualEditor edit either. tgeorgescu (talk) 23:56, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Vladdy Daddy Silly: Did not view the source correctly? Like four different times? After several people disagreed with you? After being warned of discretionary sanctions? You weren't using the WP:VisualEditor, so Columbia University Press was before your eyes. tgeorgescu (talk) 01:49, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Vladdy Daddy Silly: And you did not know that Pop is cited inside the article, while it is fairly straightforward to search a word upon a webpage? tgeorgescu (talk) 02:00, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

• [27] 23 December 2022

Discussion concerning Vladdy Daddy Silly

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Statement by Vladdy Daddy Silly

I did not view the source correctly, i've not many time to dedicate to wikipedia and i admit i was wrong. I have nothing to say more.

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Vladdy Daddy Silly

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

• I'm keen to hear what Vladdy Daddy Silly has to say here. At first glance these edits and Vladdy Daddy Silly's comments on the talk page appear concerning. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 00:56, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The short response from Vladdy Daddy Silly is noted but as it does not fully address the issues here it does not fully alleviate the concerns I have about their editing. I'm giving Vladdy Daddy Silly a logged warning about edit warring and not engaging in consensus building which can be referred to if there editing continues to be problematic. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 00:17, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Well, their short response above is unfortunately not particularly helpful. If it's true, it's still concerning they just ignored attempts at clarification of the source. That said, given their intermittent editing history, and the limited nature of this particular issue, I'd lean towards a warning. It's hard to gauge on this brief record if there's sufficient disruption to justify a sanction. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 06:24, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Request concerning Paddykumar

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

Maddy from Celeste (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 18:13, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested

Paddykumar (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender_and_sexuality#Standard_discretionary_sanctions

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. Special:Diff/1095408795 – reverting rather than engaging on the existing talk page discussion: Talk:Irreversible Damage/Archive 11#4w.com.
2. Special:Diff/1097846273 & Special:Diff/1097890049 – reinstating bold edits rather than engaging on talk.
3. Special:Diff/1105881874 – reintroducing a WP:BIASED source while discussion is ongoing and heading against inclusion: Talk:Rapid-onset gender dysphoria controversy/Archive 4#Newly published paper by Jack Turban.
4. Edits to Mermaids (charity) on 29 September 2022, since revdelled – edit-warring BLP violations. Was blocked for this.
5. Special:Diff/1115693918, Special:Diff/1115704396, Special:Diff/1115706566 – edit-warring, MOS:GID & BLP violations.
6. Talk:Mermaids (charity)#Discussion on "rude images" reported by The Times – more MOS:GID failures.
7. Special:Diff/1124992571 – continuing the above.
8. Edits to Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull since Special:Diff/1129683071 – nine reverts in three days, with only a single talk-page post.

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

1. Special:redirect/logid/137212804 – blocked for edit-warring in the topic area.

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

• Alerted about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, see the system log linked to above.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

I think this demonstrates how Paddykumar has a fundamentally unsustainable approach to editing in the GENSEX topic area, which has persisted over half a year, including a block for edit warring. Some of these diffs would not be actionable on their own, but are part of the larger pattern, which comprises most of Paddykumar's contributions in this area.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

• Special:Diff/1130340097

Update: Paddykumar has now broken 3RR on Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull: Special:Diff/1130347719 (edit summary also indicates intent to keep violating MOS:GID). ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 19:08, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, @Lord Roem, this is my first time filing here, so I have a few questions. You said the DS alert is missing from the report. However, the preload encourages the filer to choose one of the options to indicate why the accused is aware of DS. The one for an alert, which I chose, says to see the system log linked to above. Is it nevertheless better to explicitly link the diff where they were alerted? You also speak of a time-limited topic ban. From lurking various discussions, I am under the impression that AE administrators rarely impose such bans anymore, as they are deemed ineffective. Is there any particular reason to consider one here? Thank you. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 21:49, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Noting that Paddykumar's block has now expired and they have made an edit on BLPN, but have not responded here. This post is also a perfect example of how Paddykumar puts their personal opinions above reliable sources. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 09:59, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion concerning Paddykumar

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Statement by Paddykumar

Statement by (TheTranarchist)

I want to reaffirm the previous statement, and also add that overall it is obvious from their edit history that Paddykumar is WP:NOTHERE. Their edits are frequently removing pertinent information, or adding irrelevant ones, particularly to articles related to trans topics. They have a focus on disparaging trans people, from their insistence on misgendering at Irreversible Damage and Sealioning about it, to their misgendering in Mermaids (which has a disproportionate number of fully deleted edits) and in the whole "rude" pictures debacle to their misgendering and edit warring at Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshul, despite being warned repeatedly in the past not to do, to name but a few highlights. I feel their continued presence on Wikipedia would not benefit the encyclopedia at all, only serving to make trans editors uncomfortable by accepting recurring bigotry and increasing the workload of editors forced to deal with them in general. The majority of their edits within the GENSEX topic area have been reverted. If possible, an indefinite general ban seems the best option, but an indefinite topic ban could also fit, as their edits outside the topic seem at a glance less ideologically driven.

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Paddykumar

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

• I've blocked them for the 3RR violation. It's missing from the report, but they were also alerted to DS in this area back in June. I'll take a look at the rest of their history before commenting further. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 20:49, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upon further review, they have a tendency to debate other editors through reverts/edit summaries, which isn't particularly helpful. Today's the second edit war they've been sanctioned in within this topic area in the last 3 or so months. I'd like to hear their feedback when the 3RR block expires, but based on this record I'd support a time-limited topic ban (perhaps, 6 months?). --Lord Roem ~ (talk) 21:09, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    @Maddy from Celeste It's best for clarity to note the explicit DS alert, as their original edit warring block appears to have been a normal admin action. As for the length of any TBAN, it's accurate it's not as common, but with newer editors--they have 169 total edits as of writing--I usually lean towards a narrower restriction in the hopes they'll participate more productively after it expires. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 22:04, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Given the block's expired and they've edited elsewhere w/o addressing this matter, I'm inclined towards a 12 months topic ban. I've occasionally seen editors with a battleground mentality immediately violate their TBAN; if that were to occur, it'd be reasonable to make it indefinite. That said, I'll hold off for a bit in case they have anything to add, but that is how I currently plan to close this in the next day or so. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 19:38, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• @Lord Roem: I was initially thinking that a one-revert restriction might be suitable but since there are other issues with Paddykumar's editing (eg BLP) in this area I agree that a topic ban would be appropriate. I think at least 6 months would be appropriate possibly 12 depending on their response to this AE request. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 09:07, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• I think a topic-ban of either 6 or 12 months is called for, and I am leaning towards the latter given their persistent disruption and failure to respond to this filing. Black Kite (talk) 15:13, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]