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What he is doing is a clear case of nothing but [[WP:DISRUPT]]IVE editing. |
What he is doing is a clear case of nothing but [[WP:DISRUPT]]IVE editing. |
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What's the POINT of having citations duplicated/repeated for no reason? |
1) What's the POINT of having citations duplicated/repeated for no reason? |
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Another instance where the Lead is already re-written, he still adds the "lead needs to be re-written" tag. |
2) Another instance where the Lead is already re-written, he still adds the "lead needs to be re-written" tag. |
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No other page on wiki has reliable source needed and citation needed tags every other line! |
3) No other page on wiki has reliable source needed and citation needed tags every other line! Shouldn't One tag for the whole para be enough? |
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Every line of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_Osman_Ali_Khan#Honours_and_Eponyms has got need quotations to verify tag. thereby making article look very UNTIDY and messy I must say. |
4) Every line of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_Osman_Ali_Khan#Honours_and_Eponyms has got need quotations to verify tag. thereby making article look very UNTIDY and messy I must say. |
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Yes, everyone has right to opinion, but disruptive editing is not the way sir. Request you to do the needful, be it involving a neutral editor OR taking action on the said account OR whatever you |
Yes, everyone has right to opinion, but disruptive editing is not the way sir. Request you to do the needful, be it involving a neutral editor OR taking action on the said account OR whatever you dseem fit. |
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Sincere Thanks, |
Sincere Thanks, |
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If you have the capacity to tremble with indignation every time that an injustice is committed in the world, then we are comrades. – Che.
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Archived Discussions
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For you
El C, contrary to your edit summary- I noticed you were gone, and missed seeing you on recent changes. You are one of my favourite editors. This is for you. Regards, dvdrw 04:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
- Yay! Many chipthanks for the kind words. Greatly appreciated. Best, El_C 06:49, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Well I noticed and missed you! (Official circular here). Novickas (talk) 12:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC) Thought of you while uploading this picture [1]... for all of your work. Novickas (talk) 17:35, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
- Many thanks! El_C 11:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
- I'm sort of in a hole and am having difficulties submerging. Speaking of holes/that chippie, I got to do some visiting in its burro recently...
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- You look really good in your purple hat! Bishonen | talk 00:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC).
- Free hat! Today, while cheekadeepetting, this lady who saw us from a far, came over and said: "Can I tell you something...? You're an angel of God."(!) To which I of course replied: "All hail Atheismo!" [nah, I said: "thank you, maddam, that's very kind of you" — what else could I say?] I took an especially neat cheekadeepetting photograph today: it remained visible between my thumb and index as it flew away, giving the illusion it was bee-sized! What an unexpected, and sweet, effect! El_C 02:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
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Wow, Capitano, where do you get a large enough sweater for a person with that hand? Bishonen | talk 20:18, 5 November 2008 (UTC).
- And then there's Skunky! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
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Oooo. Purdy!
Combine obvious love of animals with photography results in photographic win! — Coren (talk) 15:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks! Great to learn that peoples (plural!) like! Chickadee says hi! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
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Seasons Greetings
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- Hello. Thanks, SqueakBox 23:14, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
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Thx, everyone! Happy 2009! El_C 12:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Happy Groundhog Day
Happy day! Jehochman Talk 19:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Chippies
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El C, I've been meaning to ask for ages. What is the link between revolutionary socialism and chimpunks? Did I miss that bit in Animal Farm? Is it something to do with resting the means of damn making from beavers? --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
- No link; but are you referring to Groundhog? (see left) There is a Groundhog-Chippie connection, which I was trying to further cultivate (see right). El_C 11:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
"Love is in the air ....dooooo .....dooo.dooo ......doooo ......dooo.doooo ." --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, I'm envious. You get to pet ALL the fuzzeh creatures! — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 01:40, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
Book?
Let me know when it is out, and you will up your sales by one. :-) KillerChihuahua?!? 09:22, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
1. Four Facets of existence: 1. Matter 2. Energy 3. Space 4. Time
2. Four Dimensions: 1. 1D 2. 2D 3. 3D 4. 4D (temporal)
3. Four Fundamental interactions: 1. Strong 2. EM 3. Weak 4. Gravity
4. Four States of matter: 1. Solid 2. Liquid 3. Gas 4. Plasma
Rev-dels
Just for information at the moment: are you able to do revision deletions? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 19:47, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- Affirmative. El_C 20:46, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- OK, thanks. There are a couple of admins I usually contact when I see something that needs to deleted, but unfortunately they let real life interfere with their admin duties. You are online a lot at the same times I am, so it's good to have another person to contact if needed. I generally only ask personally if it's both serious and urgent. - BilCat (talk) 02:29, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, by all means. If I'm around, please don't hesitate. El_C 02:30, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks very much. I realize.my wording above presumes you'd be willing, and that I didn't actually ask, so thanks. :) - BilCat (talk) 04:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
Romania
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I can live with your highly arbitrary closing summary of the RfC on the Talk page, so I do not want to persuade you to change it. However, you closed other on-going debates as well. Could you open the other debates? Thank you. Borsoka (talk) 05:57, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
- Ah, the thanks I get! El_C 05:58, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
And all I got was a ^^^
- Talk:And Then There Were None#RfC: And Then There Were None and racial language
- Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics#Request for comments on the 'political position' parameter of the political party infobox
- Talk:Romania#RfC
- Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#RfC: HispanTV
- Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship#Is RfX a vote, or a consensus discussion? (RfC)
- Talk:Civil Rights Act of 1968#Merger of Fair Housing Act and Indian Civil Rights Act of 1968 into this article
- Talk:WikiLeaks#RFC: Murder Of Seth Rich content dispute
- Talk:Athens News#Request for comment
- Talk:SNC-Lavalin affair#RfC: LavScam
- Talk:Christchurch mosque shootings#RfC: Change "white supremacist" to "white nationalist"
Precious anniversary
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--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:11, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
- Nice. Thanks, Gerda!
El_C 08:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you. Good day, see? Take music and flowers to your liking ;) - It's great to see your name so often on my watchlist. One area where I often wait for admin action - not now - is WP:ITNN, where we nominate for recent deaths to be shown on th Main page, and often the time between an article found [Ready] and then is [Posted] seems [too] long to still call it recent. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
- Ah, good ol' ITNC —where I got no credit for being the first to have
Posted the Corona virus outbreak, but upon (admittedly, perhaps somewhat prematurely) doing the same for the Kirk Douglas RD got a what-the-fuck-barbeque— it's a magical place! El_C 11:28, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
- I see, sorry for touching some wound ;) - Same for me: last year, I nominated a great pianist for RD, after I first had create an article which took time, and then carried away to also make it decent, - and by then her death was so long ago that she wasn't mentioned at all. The more woman, and the more foreign, that danger seems imminent, and if I may bother you in case I seee it coming again, that would be great. At present, it's a man, listed 20 Feb (although who knows if that was the day?), and nobody even commented yet, so nothing to be concerned about right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:27, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
- Hey, by all means, if you feel Peter Dreher is [Ready], let me know so I could do the honours. El_C 12:53, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
- I nominated him, so am not the most independent to judge ;) - and I'm already busy with the next, a woman, but mostly not foreign. - I really think we have some unintended bias there: the most prominent figures (white U.S. males) get speedy attention, and appear soon at the top position, while the female foreigners - often reported late to start with - take so long to even be noticed that they get only a place towards the end, finally, - as long as we go by date of death and not "in at the top". Result: those who are promminent already get preferred showing, more in front, and longer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:04, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
- Indeed, countering systemic bias is a treacherous mistress — though in the case of Kirk Douglas, I have to admit my own affinity for his admirable work countering the Hollywood blacklist... Anyway, +Peter Dreher to RD. El_C 13:16, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
- I nominated him, so am not the most independent to judge ;) - and I'm already busy with the next, a woman, but mostly not foreign. - I really think we have some unintended bias there: the most prominent figures (white U.S. males) get speedy attention, and appear soon at the top position, while the female foreigners - often reported late to start with - take so long to even be noticed that they get only a place towards the end, finally, - as long as we go by date of death and not "in at the top". Result: those who are promminent already get preferred showing, more in front, and longer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:04, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
- Hey, by all means, if you feel Peter Dreher is [Ready], let me know so I could do the honours. El_C 12:53, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
- I see, sorry for touching some wound ;) - Same for me: last year, I nominated a great pianist for RD, after I first had create an article which took time, and then carried away to also make it decent, - and by then her death was so long ago that she wasn't mentioned at all. The more woman, and the more foreign, that danger seems imminent, and if I may bother you in case I seee it coming again, that would be great. At present, it's a man, listed 20 Feb (although who knows if that was the day?), and nobody even commented yet, so nothing to be concerned about right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:27, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
- Ah, good ol' ITNC —where I got no credit for being the first to have
- Thank you. Good day, see? Take music and flowers to your liking ;) - It's great to see your name so often on my watchlist. One area where I often wait for admin action - not now - is WP:ITNN, where we nominate for recent deaths to be shown on th Main page, and often the time between an article found [Ready] and then is [Posted] seems [too] long to still call it recent. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
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Alte Liebe |
- Thank you, love-ly! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:42, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
- I nominated the poet for ITNN. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:36, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
- At the [Ready]! El_C 14:48, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
- and posted ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:28, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
- That was quick! I helped? El_C 17:33, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
- think so ;) - today's Alte Liebe became especially meaningful after yesterday's funeral. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:21, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
- That was quick! I helped? El_C 17:33, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
- and posted ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:28, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
- At the [Ready]! El_C 14:48, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
Next foreign women RD: Odile Pierre. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:12, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: sorry for the belated response — I overlooked your last message. Apologies for not being able to assist with that one. Please don't hesitate to list more. I'll try to be more cognizant of this thread next time, I promise. El_C 03:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Gerda's corner
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To help me better remember! El_C 05:10, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Gerda’s corner is lovely. When I have more time in my life and can do things beyond blocking socks, I plan to spend time there getting some of the Holy Thursday hymns on the main page. Gerda, if it’s not too late to find one, let me know. The Pange Lingua is always a first choice, but if there are any others you can think of, I’m open. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:26, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Also, El C’s talk page is lovely, especially for his hosting my musing about music he likely doesn’t care about one iota! TonyBallioni (talk) 05:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Actually, I like all kinds of music, including of the eclectic and esoteric variaty — lately I've been Dimashing it up (special thanks goes to Jasmin Ariane!). El_C 05:32, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Lovely corner, thank you! Today is The day of music, two choirs singing. I'd like Beati improved - but it's in the evensong, perhaps I'll get to a few more lines. On IWD, I should also get Elinor Ross in better shape ... - but singing comes first. Listen to Beati by voces8, another article needing improvement. Singing comes first ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- On the ITNN page, 6 Mar, Carsten Bresch. We will possibly never know when he died, but should use 6 - when the world was informed - as the day by which we go. I may be alone with that view ;) - Lovely lively colours! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Expect the sky to fall at ITNC — posted with Mar 0? (!). El_C 13:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for posting, and I added "Posted", but don't want to pass credits. DYK you know that it is as easy as clicking on the words "credit" in the nom? Nice progress on the soprano, but out for singing (alto), second round. A good source for her death would be a nice addition, anyone. this is all Spanish to me, and the English one is a blog. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:04, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- nom done, and the credits were done by someone else - bedtime --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:19, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Sleep tight. El_C 23:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- done also, and she's there - today's topic seem to be errors (3) in the OTD section of the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- Amakuru took care of that! - What should I do about this decline? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:58, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- If you're confident it's good, I would move it to main namespace nonetheless. El_C 10:07, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- How about you? - I asked the decliner for reasoning, but got no answer. I think it might be better if it's not a personal thing between them and me, so an independent pair of eyes might help. - I don't go via AfC, nor does my friend LouisAlain, but last year many of his translations were sent to draft space, for lack of refs, just because de and fr have different ideas about referencing. I try to rescue, that's all. Then get a ridiculous template on my talk recommending the Teahouse, and still see the ridiculous decline template recommending to seek help from an experienced editor, - the things we do to voluntary contributors ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:31, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
Done. Mainspacified. And I didn't even visit the Teahouse! El_C 13:37, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- pacified ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for tagging me, El_C!
Concerning Dimash: Oh wow, I really didn't expect that! But I'm happy you enjoy it!
It's funny, it's not even a genre I usually listen to. But the first time I heard him 2 years ago, I immediately loved his music. I love his voice, his emotional interpretation; and his vocal skill, range and versatility are just enormous. And he seems to be a very nice and humble guy, which makes it even easier to like him.
PS: "eclectic and esoteric variety"? Wow, that sounds interesting. Jasmin Ariane (talk) 21:55, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- ♫ Welcome to the corner, Jasmin! Yes, I love Dimash's Sinful Passion, New Wave, SOS d'un terrien en détresse, Ogni Pietra (Olimpico), Opera 2, and more. Indeed, music-wise, I'm all over the place. Yesterday, I was listening to the Mahavishnu Orchestra, I'm listening to Charlie Byrd right now (because I love bossa nova, above all else), and I'm listening to the China Philharmonic Orchestra in the car currently. So, yeah, all over the place. Welcome, again! ♫ El_C 16:47, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for tagging me, El_C!
- pacified ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- How about you? - I asked the decliner for reasoning, but got no answer. I think it might be better if it's not a personal thing between them and me, so an independent pair of eyes might help. - I don't go via AfC, nor does my friend LouisAlain, but last year many of his translations were sent to draft space, for lack of refs, just because de and fr have different ideas about referencing. I try to rescue, that's all. Then get a ridiculous template on my talk recommending the Teahouse, and still see the ridiculous decline template recommending to seek help from an experienced editor, - the things we do to voluntary contributors ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:31, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- If you're confident it's good, I would move it to main namespace nonetheless. El_C 10:07, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- Sleep tight. El_C 23:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Actually, I like all kinds of music, including of the eclectic and esoteric variaty — lately I've been Dimashing it up (special thanks goes to Jasmin Ariane!). El_C 05:32, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Gerda's February corner
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Hellebore |
Want a drink in darkness? - Schloss Freudenberg --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:38, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- Somehow, I don't really see that concept spreading to other bars... Back to out previous conversation, somewhat, a different kind of Green: "MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE - A Randy Rainbow Song Parody" (just released). El_C 14:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- I missed Mathsci for two years. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:14, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- Criss-crossing paths... El_C 15:16, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- BWV 1, concertante violin 1 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:19, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- That's right, I remember seeing that. El_C 15:24, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- Did you ever click on Reformation on my user page, first occurence? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:02, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, I have clicked on all of the (longstanding) links on your userpage. El_C 16:08, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- I am impressed. ... and follow to what the first 2 had discussed, and used, and then one of them needed it, and probably had known that all the time? ... which was my user page lead until 2021 when I decided people hovering over my name should see a pic I took. The last time I used it was for Cassianto, 24 May 2020. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- Sure, but otherwise, your userpage isn't easy to parse, due to the fact that you actually use it. I edit mine like once a decade. El_C 18:00, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- I copied that from BarkingMoon including the top icon - a bird on the Main page today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:07, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- Love it when the Main page gets that much colour. I noticed that article yesterday and thought: wow, those birds are almost as iridescent as Hummingbirds , which are... well, kinda the best! El_C 18:18, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- yes --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:25, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- Opa is now on the Main page, Wilhelm Knabe, who stood up for future with the striking school children when he was in his 90s, - a model, - see here. - Further down on the page, there are conversations about the current arb case request - I feel I have to stay away - in a nutshell: "... will not improve kindness, nor any article". - Yesterday, I made sure on a hike that the flowers are actually blooming ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
- Yay for Green Opa! This made my day!
El_C 16:24, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
- Today, we have Doris Stockhausen on her 97th birthday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:34, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
- Yay for Green Opa! This made my day!
- Opa is now on the Main page, Wilhelm Knabe, who stood up for future with the striking school children when he was in his 90s, - a model, - see here. - Further down on the page, there are conversations about the current arb case request - I feel I have to stay away - in a nutshell: "... will not improve kindness, nor any article". - Yesterday, I made sure on a hike that the flowers are actually blooming ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
- yes --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:25, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- Love it when the Main page gets that much colour. I noticed that article yesterday and thought: wow, those birds are almost as iridescent as Hummingbirds , which are... well, kinda the best! El_C 18:18, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- I copied that from BarkingMoon including the top icon - a bird on the Main page today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:07, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- Sure, but otherwise, your userpage isn't easy to parse, due to the fact that you actually use it. I edit mine like once a decade. El_C 18:00, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- I am impressed. ... and follow to what the first 2 had discussed, and used, and then one of them needed it, and probably had known that all the time? ... which was my user page lead until 2021 when I decided people hovering over my name should see a pic I took. The last time I used it was for Cassianto, 24 May 2020. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, I have clicked on all of the (longstanding) links on your userpage. El_C 16:08, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- Did you ever click on Reformation on my user page, first occurence? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:02, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- That's right, I remember seeing that. El_C 15:24, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- BWV 1, concertante violin 1 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:19, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- Criss-crossing paths... El_C 15:16, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- I missed Mathsci for two years. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:14, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
Birds of a feather
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Spiel nicht mit den Schmuddelkindern ... anticipated protest --- and listen, not to me, but the music (in the article) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
... and after the music, please listen to User talk:Nikkimaria --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:39, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- I don't understand. There's a YouTube video at the bottom of the page, but it's just some people talking in German (which I don't-Opa-understand) alongside some German folk music (not my cup of tea). Then, you link to Nikkimaria's talk page as an ill with numbers and stuff, but it still only links to their main user talk page. Quite confusing. El_C 13:48, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- entirely my fault, I thought I had the video in the article, but no, only on the talk of Martinevans123, and when I'm absent-minded, I confuse ill and diff, Nikkimaria. But hurray, I just expanded the soprano, sufficiently I hope. Need fresh air now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, I didn't really like that song. Didn't dislike it either. Was just kinda meh. Personally, I prefer the Israeli children songs I grew up on, like הילדה הכי יפה בגן, for example. El_C 16:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- Mr. Degenhardt would have been delighted! Not a song to be liked, - did you read the quote which I translated (improving on Deeple) per the talk request. Song talk about unpleasant smells, ending with a crime and a corpse swimming ... while the surviving grubby children keep singing that you better don't play with them. - Thanks for yours. Did you read my advice for M? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:33, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- I did not. Quoted where? Also, after Opa, I'm afraid to ask, but what's a "Deeple"? Yes, I saw it. Sound advise, but I'm still concerned that further cognizance will nonetheless be needed in order to avoid utter disaster in the future. El_C 16:45, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- my next mistake, DeepL - as you know everything about me you'll know that I am an infobox warrior who had to be restricted by arbcom to prevent utter disaster in the future. For 2 years I was too proud to appeal. I should have known SBHB's advice in the case, but then we might not have gotten to Beethoven ;) - RfC for Ian Fleming, and I stay away, I stay away, I don't play that game any more - please, be never afraid to ask! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:03, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- Matti Caspi laments about how many songs can even be created, but does so in a song he created (כמה שירים אפשר להמציא בכלל), so there you go. Take that, eternity! El_C 17:13, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- Gerda doesn't lament but enjoys the support by Brian, continued when others called her guilty, - always trying to mediate. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- Tis the season for bitter-sweet...? Also, trying something (top of section — EEng uncredited mention). El_C 18:45, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- look --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:34, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- did you? - interesting bitter-sweet today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- I did in passing, but I just am not in the headspace for riddles today, I'm afraid. But I did like File:Idstein,_Unytsjerke._Oersjoch_ynterieur.jpg. Almost-but-not-quite grand; warm but-not-quite gaudy. Sorry, I haven't heard of that translator before. Did you know her, personally? El_C 23:01, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you. The church pic - as you will have seen - is in my user infobox for 2021. I don't know the singer personally, but she sang for us several times, Bach's great works (all explained if you follow the link, also (below there) that some like to receive my thanks and appreciation), and she sang recently in cantata services that I pictured (her page). On all these pictures, she is too small for "about her", and my lead is smaller "about me", of course. - I knew nothing about the translator, but she was a red link on Deaths in 2021. The bitter-sweetness is between her and her ex-husband, a novelist with an article who wrote her obit. (They had four children when they were divorced, and now he has ten.) - The delegate called me to task for the Bach cantata, so I will have to not follow spontaneous impulses for a few days, - hope no one dies whose article has to be written. In the cantata, BWV 1, I have a problem. The article was all built on one source (and all other Bach cantatas at the time also, btw) which one user denies reliability. I wanted to keep it, supporting it for all facts - only recordings, anyway - by a second source, trying to be faithful to the article history and to retain what editors did before me. He removed it. Quite generally, I have a problem with expansions which ignore what former editors achieved, see BWV 53 and Ian Fleming for recently mentioned examples. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:42, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, just read that at: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/feb/08/dr-vera-wulfing-leckie-obituary — I see what you mean. Right, I knew it (the church) looked familiar. Hope you're able to resolve your BWV 1 problem. I'd offer to help, but I'd probably just mess it up, anyway. El_C 16:55, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- You will not mess anything up if you look at the old ref and tell me if it looks despicable to you, just for curiosity. The article was like this when I began "taking over". - Did you see this trying to revert a takeover? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:36, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- It does not look "despicable" to me, but I am far from an authority. This is not an area with which I am familiar. El_C 18:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, helped. I just found this (having searched for Thomanerchor) and look what is bolded, and praised. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- It does not look "despicable" to me, but I am far from an authority. This is not an area with which I am familiar. El_C 18:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- You will not mess anything up if you look at the old ref and tell me if it looks despicable to you, just for curiosity. The article was like this when I began "taking over". - Did you see this trying to revert a takeover? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:36, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, just read that at: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/feb/08/dr-vera-wulfing-leckie-obituary — I see what you mean. Right, I knew it (the church) looked familiar. Hope you're able to resolve your BWV 1 problem. I'd offer to help, but I'd probably just mess it up, anyway. El_C 16:55, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you. The church pic - as you will have seen - is in my user infobox for 2021. I don't know the singer personally, but she sang for us several times, Bach's great works (all explained if you follow the link, also (below there) that some like to receive my thanks and appreciation), and she sang recently in cantata services that I pictured (her page). On all these pictures, she is too small for "about her", and my lead is smaller "about me", of course. - I knew nothing about the translator, but she was a red link on Deaths in 2021. The bitter-sweetness is between her and her ex-husband, a novelist with an article who wrote her obit. (They had four children when they were divorced, and now he has ten.) - The delegate called me to task for the Bach cantata, so I will have to not follow spontaneous impulses for a few days, - hope no one dies whose article has to be written. In the cantata, BWV 1, I have a problem. The article was all built on one source (and all other Bach cantatas at the time also, btw) which one user denies reliability. I wanted to keep it, supporting it for all facts - only recordings, anyway - by a second source, trying to be faithful to the article history and to retain what editors did before me. He removed it. Quite generally, I have a problem with expansions which ignore what former editors achieved, see BWV 53 and Ian Fleming for recently mentioned examples. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:42, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- I did in passing, but I just am not in the headspace for riddles today, I'm afraid. But I did like File:Idstein,_Unytsjerke._Oersjoch_ynterieur.jpg. Almost-but-not-quite grand; warm but-not-quite gaudy. Sorry, I haven't heard of that translator before. Did you know her, personally? El_C 23:01, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Tis the season for bitter-sweet...? Also, trying something (top of section — EEng uncredited mention). El_C 18:45, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- Gerda doesn't lament but enjoys the support by Brian, continued when others called her guilty, - always trying to mediate. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- Matti Caspi laments about how many songs can even be created, but does so in a song he created (כמה שירים אפשר להמציא בכלל), so there you go. Take that, eternity! El_C 17:13, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- my next mistake, DeepL - as you know everything about me you'll know that I am an infobox warrior who had to be restricted by arbcom to prevent utter disaster in the future. For 2 years I was too proud to appeal. I should have known SBHB's advice in the case, but then we might not have gotten to Beethoven ;) - RfC for Ian Fleming, and I stay away, I stay away, I don't play that game any more - please, be never afraid to ask! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:03, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- I did not. Quoted where? Also, after Opa, I'm afraid to ask, but what's a "Deeple"? Yes, I saw it. Sound advise, but I'm still concerned that further cognizance will nonetheless be needed in order to avoid utter disaster in the future. El_C 16:45, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- Mr. Degenhardt would have been delighted! Not a song to be liked, - did you read the quote which I translated (improving on Deeple) per the talk request. Song talk about unpleasant smells, ending with a crime and a corpse swimming ... while the surviving grubby children keep singing that you better don't play with them. - Thanks for yours. Did you read my advice for M? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:33, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, I didn't really like that song. Didn't dislike it either. Was just kinda meh. Personally, I prefer the Israeli children songs I grew up on, like הילדה הכי יפה בגן, for example. El_C 16:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- entirely my fault, I thought I had the video in the article, but no, only on the talk of Martinevans123, and when I'm absent-minded, I confuse ill and diff, Nikkimaria. But hurray, I just expanded the soprano, sufficiently I hope. Need fresh air now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
Helleborus orientalis |
happy Valentine's! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:14, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, for you, too. Did an English translation of a song at User_talk:El_C#Us, btw, and am about to submit another ("US," itself), so check it out! El_C 16:23, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- adding today's featured picture of February 17 - a nice match to my wild one --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:23, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Lovely, lovely! El_C 23:24, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- adding today's featured picture of February 17 - a nice match to my wild one --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:23, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Request to put 2021 storming of the United States Capitol under WP:1RR
@El C: @Octoberwoodland: Continuing this discussion, I'd like to request that 2021 storming of the United States Capitol be put under WP:1RR (I guess that would be Template:American politics AE?). How do I make such a request? Post to WP:AN? Or can an admin (i.e. you :-)) do that without a formal request? — Chrisahn (talk) 23:59, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Chrisahn, right, you ask me, here, like so. But can you show that there is a lot of protracted edit warring going on? Because I'm wary of throttling a page that sees that much activity. Not sure why you pinged Octoberwoodland here. They are not an admin, so they do not have the authority to grant your request. El_C 00:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- No, there hasn't been much edit warring. Just like Octoberwoodland, I thought the page was already under 1RR, and I thought it would be useful. But if you'd rather not do it yet, that's fine with me as well. If problems do arise, I'll come back here. But I hope it won't be necessary. :-) (The ping was just because Octoberwoodland started the discussion at Alalch Emis's talk page and might want to chime in here.) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:21, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Just understood that moments ago (the ping). Anyway, in general, restrictions are added by need only. The general consensus among admins is to wait and see, and only if needed add 1RR. And if that isn't enough, only then move on to additional enhancements, like Consensus required (i.e. gradual escalation). Regards, El_C 00:28, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the explanation! These processes are more fine-grained than I thought. Probably a good thing. Although I'm afraid I won't remember the difference between {{ds/editnotice}} and {{ds/talk notice}} a week from now. :-) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:54, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- I just type T:DSA (all listed at the bottom), otherwise, who can remember! El_C 00:56, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the explanation! These processes are more fine-grained than I thought. Probably a good thing. Although I'm afraid I won't remember the difference between {{ds/editnotice}} and {{ds/talk notice}} a week from now. :-) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:54, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Just understood that moments ago (the ping). Anyway, in general, restrictions are added by need only. The general consensus among admins is to wait and see, and only if needed add 1RR. And if that isn't enough, only then move on to additional enhancements, like Consensus required (i.e. gradual escalation). Regards, El_C 00:28, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- No, there hasn't been much edit warring. Just like Octoberwoodland, I thought the page was already under 1RR, and I thought it would be useful. But if you'd rather not do it yet, that's fine with me as well. If problems do arise, I'll come back here. But I hope it won't be necessary. :-) (The ping was just because Octoberwoodland started the discussion at Alalch Emis's talk page and might want to chime in here.) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:21, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
It is time I knew more about do's and don'ts applicable to infoboxes. Could you let me have the link to any WP that applies to Infoboxes as such? Qexigator (talk) 17:52, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, I'm far from an authority on infoboxes, Qexigator, so short of pointing you to the MOS:INFOBOX-obvious, I would just advise you to avoid WP:ARBINFOBOX2 at all cost! Regards, El_C 18:13, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Some users get hot about infoboxes, while for others it's the normal thing to have. Before adding an infobox to an article without one, check for warnings in edit mode, and for discussions on the talk page. Recent example Ian Fleming, nonono. Those who made the article as nice as it is today don't like it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:23, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Haha! See what I mean, Qexigator? *Pokes Gerda* El_C 18:25, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the link to MOS:INFOBOX. This comfirms my experience when I have been looking at or editing other well-established articles on impottant topics: the infobox is 'to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article (an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored,,,The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance,' If well done, they can be very helpful when needed.' Qexigator (talk) 18:44, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- My favourite is Beethoven. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:05, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- The unquestionable elegance of less is more. El_C 19:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- I am so proud of that ;) - Did you know that I designed it in the workshop of Teh Case ("Actually, I believe almost every article would profit from a placement like that in history and geography.")? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:01, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- The unquestionable elegance of less is more. El_C 19:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- My favourite is Beethoven. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:05, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
Us
- User:El C/Songs from the homeland (YouTube links to individual performances are at the top of the subpage, in boldface)
"Didn't Know You'd Walk Away From Me"
"Yes, It Has No Chance, But Between Myself And I Everything Is Allowed"
Last updated: El_C 09:05, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
Gerda loves subsections!
- Thanks for sharing! Reminds me of my one and only contrib to the Hebrew Wikipedia. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- I would have liked to add the pic to context, but can't tell ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Are you referring to he:קובץ:Ubud_Cremation_4.jpg, because that is one scary dragon! El_C 08:51, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- yes ;) - that pic was taken by my much-missed friend who made the good version for Ian Fleming, and my illustration for the infobox wars (see the link to the workshop, and in my 2020 talk archive). - On the other topic, Bach, we have now another ANI, by Smerus, Nikkimaria is fighting, I shake my head and try to look away, and Mathsci is still blocked. How many more editors in good standing are going to be burnt? - I like the singers music, but the images best when I see him, not graphics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Haha! All roads lead to Ian Fleming, it seems.
Also, you're making me sound like the grim reaper, but I just want to pet a chipmunk! El_C 11:03, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- "making you sound"? I just tremble with indignation - out for the day --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:07, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- That's the second time today where I've had Che quoted back at me — looks like it's gonna be one of those days... Enjoy your outing! El_C 11:13, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- "making you sound"? I just tremble with indignation - out for the day --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:07, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Haha! All roads lead to Ian Fleming, it seems.
- yes ;) - that pic was taken by my much-missed friend who made the good version for Ian Fleming, and my illustration for the infobox wars (see the link to the workshop, and in my 2020 talk archive). - On the other topic, Bach, we have now another ANI, by Smerus, Nikkimaria is fighting, I shake my head and try to look away, and Mathsci is still blocked. How many more editors in good standing are going to be burnt? - I like the singers music, but the images best when I see him, not graphics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Are you referring to he:קובץ:Ubud_Cremation_4.jpg, because that is one scary dragon! El_C 08:51, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
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Innisfree Garden |
- Back from sun and snow: sorry if that landed wrong. I was a bit in a rush, and reacted to "all roads lead to IF". I don't care about IF, at all, the number of my edits to his article is zero, the number of my edits to the talk page is zero. I had not thought of him in years until the ongoing RfC, and my edits will remain zero. I use his name as an example, because - with the RfC going - I can mention it, otherwise if I mentioned a name from the group someone would come and cry "canvassing".
- I thought about the animosity, and what I can trace back (because I really don't understand it), and looked at what I wrote about Ian Fleming on the page deleted as a call to battle. I made a note of the name, that it was infobox person (red background indicating that it was lost) and the above-mentioned diff of a good version from 2012 piped to the date. That's all. I had forgotten until I looked it up now that my friend had made the good version. When we lost him (later that year) I spread the image all over the Wikipedias, even Hebrew (with some help from a friend from Jerusalem). My first reaction had been to leave, but then I didn't want to do his enemies that favour ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:30, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Ooh, that is some lovley greenery. So nice. Also, you can CANVASS me any day, Gerda, but should probably note my propensity to call (!)voter fraud whenever things don't go my way (diff). Anyway, trying to take it easy today, with the occasional bouts of critical drinking. El_C 19:28, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Fine, easy today, will explain "canvass" some other day, also why I think the animosity is inherited, because the listing described really doesn't explain it, - although I can see (now) that the red background - about as red as your top image - could be seen as inflammatory. But a reason to leave Wikipedia? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Easier today, with progress on BWV 1. Back to the beginning, Hebrew: we miss Yoninah, terribly, and one of the many things she would have done for me is adding the text of a psalm to the article, compare Psalm 45 and Psalm 43. The text can be found at the bottom, in External links. I could probably manage but would feel safer if someone did it who could actually read it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
Done. Oh, good, glad to hear it. Yup, I well know Yoninah for her top-tier contributions. I wouldn't count our losses yet, though. She's only been gone less than a month. Hopefully, she'll return soon. *Sending positive vibes* El_C 11:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Haha! Dangerous terrain (diff), who would have thunk it? (Seriously, I didn't.) El_C 11:07, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Hmm. I confess to being puzzled (diff). Anyway, pinged you to User_talk:Veverve#Psalm_43_query. Hopefully, my confusion can be assuaged. El_C 11:32, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- did it? (I had an edit conflict there) - thank you for a new word, "assuaged" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:37, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- See the trouble you get me into? Now to ameliorate! El_C 11:39, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- going out again, sun and snow, will think about amelioration when walking --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:03, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Obligatory Here Comes Sunshine spam! El_C 12:27, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- refreshed: spam for spam (subject of my first article, which was supposed to be the only one, but it had this red link ...) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:36, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Very nice, but I still think I'm owed some Psalms-related comforting! El_C 20:38, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- refreshed: spam for spam (subject of my first article, which was supposed to be the only one, but it had this red link ...) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:36, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Obligatory Here Comes Sunshine spam! El_C 12:27, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- going out again, sun and snow, will think about amelioration when walking --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:03, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- See the trouble you get me into? Now to ameliorate! El_C 11:39, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- did it? (I had an edit conflict there) - thank you for a new word, "assuaged" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:37, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Hmm. I confess to being puzzled (diff). Anyway, pinged you to User_talk:Veverve#Psalm_43_query. Hopefully, my confusion can be assuaged. El_C 11:32, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Haha! Dangerous terrain (diff), who would have thunk it? (Seriously, I didn't.) El_C 11:07, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Ooh, that is some lovley greenery. So nice. Also, you can CANVASS me any day, Gerda, but should probably note my propensity to call (!)voter fraud whenever things don't go my way (diff). Anyway, trying to take it easy today, with the occasional bouts of critical drinking. El_C 19:28, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
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- "no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, I like that a lot! El_C 20:49, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Sadly: more work for you, in her memory. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:02, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, I like that a lot! El_C 20:49, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- "no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
Guess what, BWV 1 and BWV 159 make progress. You mentioned AE. I was there, last 2015. It was so awful that I dropped all pride (and it felt like giving up walking uprightly - watch out for Psalm 110 there) and appealed (and even successfully so). Starlight on top of that archive ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:01, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- I'll take some startlight — been flying too close to the sun lately, truth be told. El_C 18:34, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
- You are welcome! I made a hook, also for you.
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Did you know ...
... that Universalkünstler
Arik Brauer
created paintings in Fantastic Realism,
songs in Austropop,
stage sets for the Paris Opera,
and house facades in Austria and Israel?
- One this day nine years ago, I told Voceditenore that she is a voice of opera and reason. In 2018, she said: "And, no, there haven't been infobox squabbles in ages. I personally use them all the time now for biographies and operas. There are a few diehards left, but the general attitude from both perspectives seems to have settled on live and let live." So why is it that some still can't settle on live and let live? - The next cookbook author is scheluded to appear as TFA (with a nice infobox btw, as the last), and I will keep the usual thanks to the creator for myself as insistent, but I don't understand. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- Love the artwork of Arik Brauer — nicely done! Ah, the vicissitudes of infoboxen, its ebbs and and flow. What a peculiar thing it is. El_C 14:55, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- No, it doesn't. It could just ebb. In 2018, it was no concern. Why is it now? Why can't we just edit the little boxes as other content: someone adds, and if someone reverts, consensus needs to be established. Instead, someone adding, or requesting, or just asking where it went, is considered a warrior. The question where it went often goes like this: when a certain group of editors expanded an article, they collapsed it (thinking that was a compromise, but making life harder for those having physical trouble to click the "show" button). That caused a little edit-war, which was "resolved" by taking it away completely, with a discussion like this on the talk following. Ever since, we have been reminded that there was this consensus not to have one, and we are supposed to believe that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- For sure, I am like-minded with you in that interpretation. WP:ONUS should generally be observed, like elsewhere. Indeed, there really isn't an excuse for not doing so. In theory, per WP:ARBINFOBOX2, WP:ACDS allows admins to just straight-up make it (ONUS) a requirement by adding Consensus required to intractable infobox disputes. My sense is that most admins just do not want to touch these because it usually ends up amounting to a zero-sum game, at best — myself, I don't really engage infobox disputes in an AE capacity, because the history and politics AE topic areas keep me busy enough (diff). El_C 16:19, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- There are almost no "intractable infobox disputes", really, so DS serves no purpose. The problem is that a newcomer who has no idea of a minefield is treated as a warrior. - I love your translations. We should have more us. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:36, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, understood. Admittedly, I do not have a firm grasp of what's happening on the infobox front. RE: translations. Many thanks! I appreciate your praise very much. Also Val's. Strange how it took me hours and hours to do the first one, an hour to do the second one, and 30 minutes to do the third one. But I think I'm now finally satisfied with the final form of all three translations, so at least I'm done with the constant tinkering (though not to jinx it!). El_C 16:57, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- For more understanding: imagine - if you can, it takes courage - for a moment that back in 2012, the infobox had been kept as it had been for years then already. Imagine. - Certainly thanks to presentation here, Arik Brauer made it to the stats, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, understood. Admittedly, I do not have a firm grasp of what's happening on the infobox front. RE: translations. Many thanks! I appreciate your praise very much. Also Val's. Strange how it took me hours and hours to do the first one, an hour to do the second one, and 30 minutes to do the third one. But I think I'm now finally satisfied with the final form of all three translations, so at least I'm done with the constant tinkering (though not to jinx it!). El_C 16:57, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- There are almost no "intractable infobox disputes", really, so DS serves no purpose. The problem is that a newcomer who has no idea of a minefield is treated as a warrior. - I love your translations. We should have more us. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:36, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- For sure, I am like-minded with you in that interpretation. WP:ONUS should generally be observed, like elsewhere. Indeed, there really isn't an excuse for not doing so. In theory, per WP:ARBINFOBOX2, WP:ACDS allows admins to just straight-up make it (ONUS) a requirement by adding Consensus required to intractable infobox disputes. My sense is that most admins just do not want to touch these because it usually ends up amounting to a zero-sum game, at best — myself, I don't really engage infobox disputes in an AE capacity, because the history and politics AE topic areas keep me busy enough (diff). El_C 16:19, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- No, it doesn't. It could just ebb. In 2018, it was no concern. Why is it now? Why can't we just edit the little boxes as other content: someone adds, and if someone reverts, consensus needs to be established. Instead, someone adding, or requesting, or just asking where it went, is considered a warrior. The question where it went often goes like this: when a certain group of editors expanded an article, they collapsed it (thinking that was a compromise, but making life harder for those having physical trouble to click the "show" button). That caused a little edit-war, which was "resolved" by taking it away completely, with a discussion like this on the talk following. Ever since, we have been reminded that there was this consensus not to have one, and we are supposed to believe that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- Love the artwork of Arik Brauer — nicely done! Ah, the vicissitudes of infoboxen, its ebbs and and flow. What a peculiar thing it is. El_C 14:55, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- One this day nine years ago, I told Voceditenore that she is a voice of opera and reason. In 2018, she said: "And, no, there haven't been infobox squabbles in ages. I personally use them all the time now for biographies and operas. There are a few diehards left, but the general attitude from both perspectives seems to have settled on live and let live." So why is it that some still can't settle on live and let live? - The next cookbook author is scheluded to appear as TFA (with a nice infobox btw, as the last), and I will keep the usual thanks to the creator for myself as insistent, but I don't understand. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Play Bach
How do you like this? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Enjoy the music, and make it last. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:18, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- (As) I always do, Gerda! Yours always, El_C 12:00, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Great music offer! - What do you think of the start of Reception, - the little prince never gives up a question. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Not usually a fan of princes, but here's one that really did music-it-up! El_C 12:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Agree about Johann Ernst! The Little Prince never gives up a question, "the prince has golden hair, a lovable laugh, and will repeat questions until they are answered". How do you like the beginning of reception? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:50, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- One of my favourite books growing up... Reception looks great to me. I think he did a fine job. Top tier musicology. El_C 16:54, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- I agree, but who is "he"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- "You know, that guy — who always wore a shirt." Oh, sorry, did you write that, with him just having merged it? It's a low attention span -day today, so brace yourself! El_C 17:04, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Nonono, I could never write such a thing (+ I'm not a "he" as the writer is, and yes, the obvious "he" just merged it). Two ways to the answer: you follow the links in the edit summary (better the second), or you look at the new article's talk page. Unless you just guess why I come to you of all people with this question, and may guess right. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- A riddle — noo! There better not be a math and science test at the end of this! El_C 17:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- test? first question in this thread has one (!) link, leading to the initial entry of a new article, with two (but I said better second) links, with the second leading to where an estimated 95% of the content came from. [2] - a fine job, indeed, not my style, but fine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Hoping for a D-. That would be about right. El_C 17:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- An unblock would do. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:55, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Gerda, for reasons which are my own, attending to this dispute, in any administrative capacity, just isn't something I wish to engage at this time. Sorry. El_C 20:42, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Understand. Appreciation of outstanding work is better. You can tell other admins where the clue is - my lead image until 2021 came, remember? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Of course, happy to pass on genuine positive impressions, always. Yes, I do. Breathtaking, primordial. El_C 22:26, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- "at times heavy to carry" (quoting myself still from the same page which also has the model for Precious, did you see? - the cabal of the outcast, - I told Bus stop four years ago, feel like Cassandre) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- And that's very much okay to express. Also, we can be in diametric opposition about whatever from time to time. That is also okay. El_C 23:20, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- "at times heavy to carry" (quoting myself still from the same page which also has the model for Precious, did you see? - the cabal of the outcast, - I told Bus stop four years ago, feel like Cassandre) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Of course, happy to pass on genuine positive impressions, always. Yes, I do. Breathtaking, primordial. El_C 22:26, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Understand. Appreciation of outstanding work is better. You can tell other admins where the clue is - my lead image until 2021 came, remember? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Gerda, for reasons which are my own, attending to this dispute, in any administrative capacity, just isn't something I wish to engage at this time. Sorry. El_C 20:42, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- An unblock would do. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:55, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Hoping for a D-. That would be about right. El_C 17:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- test? first question in this thread has one (!) link, leading to the initial entry of a new article, with two (but I said better second) links, with the second leading to where an estimated 95% of the content came from. [2] - a fine job, indeed, not my style, but fine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- A riddle — noo! There better not be a math and science test at the end of this! El_C 17:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Nonono, I could never write such a thing (+ I'm not a "he" as the writer is, and yes, the obvious "he" just merged it). Two ways to the answer: you follow the links in the edit summary (better the second), or you look at the new article's talk page. Unless you just guess why I come to you of all people with this question, and may guess right. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- "You know, that guy — who always wore a shirt." Oh, sorry, did you write that, with him just having merged it? It's a low attention span -day today, so brace yourself! El_C 17:04, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- I agree, but who is "he"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- One of my favourite books growing up... Reception looks great to me. I think he did a fine job. Top tier musicology. El_C 16:54, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Agree about Johann Ernst! The Little Prince never gives up a question, "the prince has golden hair, a lovable laugh, and will repeat questions until they are answered". How do you like the beginning of reception? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:50, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Not usually a fan of princes, but here's one that really did music-it-up! El_C 12:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Great music offer! - What do you think of the start of Reception, - the little prince never gives up a question. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Psalm 12 when you have time - what happened? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:52, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
An edit request by Narky Blert
I have just set up an alternative account, Narky Blert (alt), so that I can edit logged-in until I can regain access to my main account, Narky Blert. (Condensed story - I fell ill in early December, with the result that I was admitted to hospital having being found unconscious after three days. I was discharged after a week, and consider myself recovered. An annoying side-effect was that I broke my PC, and am having trouble in recovering my PWs (that should be possible, but I'm having to rely on third parties).)
To comply with WP:ALTACC, I want to edit User:Narky Blert to add:
- {{User alternative account name|Narky Blert (alt)}}
- {{-}}
at the top, and
- [[Category:Wikipedia alternative accounts]]
at the bottom. However, as a newly-registered user, I cannot. Could I ask you to do this for me?
As a token of good faith, I offer you "Bella ciao" - [3], which strikes me as right up your street. Narky Blert (alt) (talk) 15:02, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
- Holy shit! So sorry to hear that, but glad you're on the mend. For sure, I'll get right on that. Wow, that's nuts. Thanks for the song. Glad to have you back, but take it easy, please! Jeez. El_C 15:10, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks! I'm feeling better now than I have for months; I must have been building up to that episode which landed me in hospital. Now, if only I could do something about the misbegotten ISP I'm currently on... Narky Blert (alt) (talk) 17:34, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
- But you made it, that's the most important thing! I love you, bwo!
El_C 17:47, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
- But you made it, that's the most important thing! I love you, bwo!
- Thanks! I'm feeling better now than I have for months; I must have been building up to that episode which landed me in hospital. Now, if only I could do something about the misbegotten ISP I'm currently on... Narky Blert (alt) (talk) 17:34, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Prayer for Ukraine
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I took a pic in 2009 that was on the German MP yesterday, with the song from 1885, in English Prayer for Ukraine. - "Our" next psalm is Psalm 92, last week's, yesterday we had Psalm 91 but that - with the guardian angels is already covered, and I added compositions today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:03, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
- Wow, did you take that picture with a Nokia flip phone or something? I can count the pixels! (No NoPixel jokes, please! But yes latest music.) BTW, are you at all familiar with the teachings of Rabbi Nachman? El_C 11:30, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
- I don't remember - keep loosing my cameras. It's an excerpt of a larger pic, of course, and from the time when I joined Wikipedia. - No, not familiar, will perhaps look when dark. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:42, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
- See Nachman_of_Breslov#Teachings. Last bulletpoint:
He emphasized [the] importance of music for spiritual development and religious practice
. His was probably the most philosophically sophisticated of the Hasidic Movement, now known as the Breslov (Hasidic group). Their Rosh Hashana kibbutz (annual pilgrimage to Uman, Ukraine) is a pretty big deal in both Israel and Ukraine. El_C 11:59, 6 March 2022 (UTC)- Sounds interesting, but was too busy yesterday. IWD today, so I decorated my talk showing two who didn't make it, one from Russia and one from Ukraine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:59, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Good stuff. Happy International Women's Day!
El_C 18:51, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you! Wrote the translation of Anna Korsun to German, and began Zofia Kilanowicz, for the occasion. Sang an extra song for peace in rehearsal. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:11, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Good stuff. Happy International Women's Day!
- Sounds interesting, but was too busy yesterday. IWD today, so I decorated my talk showing two who didn't make it, one from Russia and one from Ukraine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:59, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- See Nachman_of_Breslov#Teachings. Last bulletpoint:
- I don't remember - keep loosing my cameras. It's an excerpt of a larger pic, of course, and from the time when I joined Wikipedia. - No, not familiar, will perhaps look when dark. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:42, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
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I listened to the charity concert mentioned here (on radio, it was soon sold out), and created the articles of the composer and the soprano. Alto to follow today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:10, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Do you think you could provide Psalm 92 (and then 14)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:19, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Nice. It's been a while since my last concert.
Those Psalms look dunzo'd. El_C 03:03, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- How to listen? El_C 05:09, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- To that concert? I don't know, there was a lot of recording going on, but I don't know if for the public. - To Prayer for Ukraine? - see article. To the Frankfurt concert? [4] - composer on the Main page now! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:33, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- sorry about not having looked "down" enough for the psalms - yesterday was 27, also "dun". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:35, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- DunZO! Yeah, the latest (I'm caught up with the rest), too badzo. El_C 16:33, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- St. Patrick's Day, more music and today's sunset no cow--Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:49, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- Nice sunset, still, though! BTW, we've moved past cows. We're doing sloth wizards now. Catch up with the lore! El_C 04:40, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- on Bach's birthday: the places where I sang his Dona nobis pacem --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:27, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Happy BachDay!
Wow, Evangelische Marktkirche in Wiesbaden looks like an intergalactic spaceship, with pillars. El_C 22:16, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- the place where Reger-Chor performed first --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:20, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Very cool. It also looks like a spaceship from the outside, but with un-rounded corners. What a twist! El_C 22:26, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- the place where Reger-Chor performed first --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:20, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Happy BachDay!
- on Bach's birthday: the places where I sang his Dona nobis pacem --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:27, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Nice sunset, still, though! BTW, we've moved past cows. We're doing sloth wizards now. Catch up with the lore! El_C 04:40, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- St. Patrick's Day, more music and today's sunset no cow--Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:49, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- DunZO! Yeah, the latest (I'm caught up with the rest), too badzo. El_C 16:33, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- How to listen? El_C 05:09, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
The Prayer is on the Main page, finally + new flowers, and btw: the TFA is a young writer's first --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:01, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Well done! That deserves flowers (of peace (against all odds)). El_C 12:48, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- Bach's No. 1 today for illumination --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:58, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- Very nice, can't go wrong with the classics (classics). Funk No. 1, for yesterday's exaltation (today). El_C 16:04, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- thank you ;) - back to Psalm 14, it looked done but looking closer, I don't get why Hebrew is shorter, and has a different beginning, and the explanation is that it's not the complete but some sort of difference. Can you check that please? - Prayer for Ukraine: I heard it as "encore" after a live opera performance from Staatsoper Hannover, sung and played with heart by the complete ensemble. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- Sunday flowers and sounds, don't miss the extraordinary marriage of the beginnings of the theme of Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern, BWV 1, and Prayer for Ukraine - here! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:47, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
Like. Congrats! You are a musical editing machine! In answer to your question: some of the Aramaic-derived Hebrew words combine nouns and verbs all in a single word. El_C 14:04, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- thank you, exquisite voice today, heard on 11 March --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:01, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- (unless you already do) please help watching the TFA Operation Mincemeat because the author is not active --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:34, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- I have virtually every major military engagement on my watchlist. But I haven't opened my watchlist in 2022 yet, so there's that. El_C 12:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- Not sure if I understand. I look at my watchlist about once per hour. You could just look at editing history every now and then, or do nothing. I wanted to write about an Israeli conductor today but came a feminist - the perfect topic for women's month. Her pic is on the Main page, and I learned a lot expanding. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:12, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- Cool. Also, I love train conductors, too! RE: Watchlist, see: File:77,777.jpeg (btw, I've long surpassed 100K for some reason). El_C 13:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- now that's so funny: when I was about to pass 55.555 I decided that this was nonsense and began to reduce one by one, having reached 42k+ - this conductor leads an orchestra, but my grandfather was a train conductor --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- Could you please do me a favour regarding Psalm 14: do the Hebrew in the normal fashion. What's there is a subset, has no verse numbers, - tricky. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:28, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- Double cool! Also, I definitely agree with you: train, orchestra conductors — basically the same thing, interchangeable. El_C 13:31, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- What, never! El_C 13:31, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, I did the thing. El_C 13:41, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- Cool. Also, I love train conductors, too! RE: Watchlist, see: File:77,777.jpeg (btw, I've long surpassed 100K for some reason). El_C 13:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- Not sure if I understand. I look at my watchlist about once per hour. You could just look at editing history every now and then, or do nothing. I wanted to write about an Israeli conductor today but came a feminist - the perfect topic for women's month. Her pic is on the Main page, and I learned a lot expanding. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:12, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- I have virtually every major military engagement on my watchlist. But I haven't opened my watchlist in 2022 yet, so there's that. El_C 12:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- Very nice, can't go wrong with the classics (classics). Funk No. 1, for yesterday's exaltation (today). El_C 16:04, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- Bach's No. 1 today for illumination --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:58, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
Block
How to block or warn someone for unsourced editing. Please help. Sush150 (talk) 12:27, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
- Only editors with the sysop flag (admins) can block. The warning templates are: {{uw-unsourced1}} to {{uw-unsourced4}}. El_C 12:30, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
Regarding page protection of Disinformation in the 2021–2022 Russo-Ukrainian crisis
Hi. You recently protected Disinformation in the 2021–2022 Russo-Ukrainian crisis. I think that the request for a page protection was unwarranted and I don't think the page should be protected. The request came from a
sympathiser of Russians in Ukraine who, citing false pretences, had their unverified additions removed by an IP (and later by a regular ol' buster like you and me). There have been several helpful edits by IPs on the page, and by my count, zero unhelpful ones, and the page is relatively quiet. I just don't think it's necessary and unneccessary padlocks make me 🤮 . I don't really know any of the policy behind a decrease in page protection. Pabsoluterince (talk) 15:32, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
- Doesn't matter who filed it. I've protected a couple of pages this past week where I also blocked the requestor. Anyway, we've been protecting pages related to the conflict as a matter of course for some time now. See the many entries logged at WP:AEL#Eastern_Europe. The policy documentation is at WP:ACDS. Hope that clears things up. Regards, El_C 15:39, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, I can understand that in general the pages in the topic area need more protections, I just didn't consider it "necessary and proportionate for the smooth running of the project" for this article in particular. Pabsoluterince (talk) 15:46, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, Pabsoluterince, I'm not convinced that the semiprotection should be lifted at this time. El_C 15:52, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
- No worries, it's those poor IPs that keep me up at night. Thanks anyway. Pabsoluterince (talk) 16:00, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, Pabsoluterince, I'm not convinced that the semiprotection should be lifted at this time. El_C 15:52, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, I can understand that in general the pages in the topic area need more protections, I just didn't consider it "necessary and proportionate for the smooth running of the project" for this article in particular. Pabsoluterince (talk) 15:46, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
Talk:SCP Foundation
Hi!
At Wikipedia:Requests for page protection/Archive/2022/03#Talk:SCP Foundation, you said "Unless of an egregious nature, the threshold for [talk namespace protection] is higher." What qualifies as "egregious"? The disruption has been long-term and almost exclusively from IP editors. (I provided 10 examples! Which to be fair is probably too many.) (Please ping on response.) casualdejekyll 14:50, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Egregious means WP:BLP, WP:NLT, WP:HARASS, WP:CHILDPROTECT and so on. Anyway, the declined note read: Not enough recent disruptive activity to justify protection (underline is my emphasis).
- That's because the convention for article talk pages is to start with, like, a week-long semiprotection. Except the last disruptive edit in that talk page was about a week ago, so protecting for a week atm seemed counter-intuitive (unless, as mentioned, of an egregious nature).
- By contrast, you can compare the protection request for Talk:Cyclone Eloise, a request which I granted a few minutes before declining yours. El_C 15:14, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
Ethel Smyth - "The March of the Women" - link
Famously conducted by the composer using her toothbrush as a baton from the window of her cell in Holloway Prison while imprisoned as a sufragette. Narky Blert (talk) 06:49, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Great insight into the history of struggle, as always, Narky! Anyway, Clara Zetkin or Rosa Luxemburg. You only get the two! El_C 18:49, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- On a less serious note, Hilda Tablet. Radio 3 rebroadcast the plays in the late 1960s; and I've just found them on YouTube. Narky Blert (talk) 19:03, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
Requesting some help
Greetings,
I received a help request ping accordingly I responded as per my little knowledge but I suppose administrative guidance and support @ User talk:Adamsamuelwilson#Johnboy smith wiki page may be helpful. Thanks and warm regards
Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 11:50, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Got it, Bookku. See: User_talk:Johnboy198920#A note on conflict of interest. El_C 18:59, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
March 2022
What's the matter with you?[5] Did you resent the "flippant admin response"? But what about the actual points MastCell made? I was sorry to see your comment. :-( Bishonen | tålk 18:38, 8 March 2022 (UTC).
- What's the matter with you? Your reflexive defense of MastCell, it's too much. You still can't seem to see the forest from the trees when it comes to him and Astme. El_C 18:45, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Still..? I didn't know before that you were of that opinion. OK, so I'm even sorrier, but I suppose I learned something. Bye now. Bishonen | tålk 18:55, 8 March 2022 (UTC).
- Sure, Bish. See ya. El_C 18:56, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Still..? I didn't know before that you were of that opinion. OK, so I'm even sorrier, but I suppose I learned something. Bye now. Bishonen | tålk 18:55, 8 March 2022 (UTC).
Hi El_C, you asked for a reminder when the full protection at Statue of Unity expired. There has been semi-regular disruption from random IPs over the past month since the expiration. DanCherek (talk) 00:46, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Hey. Got it. Nice to see you btw!
El_C 00:50, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- You too, Cow Man (or is it "bwo" these days?)! Still enjoying your songs. Here's one from me: Croatian Rhapsody. DanCherek (talk) 00:59, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Unsourced edits
Please block or warn this user MNWiki845 always doing unsourced edits. Also attach without source and licence posters in film articles. He takes screenshot of poster and add article. Sush150 (talk) 05:32, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
His attached barnstar also fake, he copy some I guess. Sush150 (talk) 05:34, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Protection of Talk:History of the race and intelligence controversy
FYI, the three month protection you placed on Talk:History of the race and intelligence controversy expired today and the sock accounts are already back. MrOllie (talk) 16:22, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
Semi-protected for a period of 6 months, after which the page will be automatically unprotected. Logged AE action (number 3). El_C 16:29, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
User non-responsive to inquiries
Hi, I'm not really sure where else to go with this issue but Special:Contributions/PutraOsakaTokyo has made edits to a great number of Malaysian politicians' infoboxes that have removed important information. Such as in the case of Wan Azizah Ismail, their edit (which I have just reverted) made it so that you could not tell who preceded and succeeded her as an MP or minister as well as how long she held those positions for. Other examples include Ismail Sabri, Najib Razak, and Anwar Ibrahim. While I understand that these edits were probably done with the best of intentions, I don't think they're constructive. I tried to contact them through their talk page in 2021, with another Wikipedian also expressing the same concerns, but they have not responded despite continuing to contribute to Wikipedia as recently as 12 March. Help would be greatly appreciated. Sisuvia (talk) 13:13, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Sisuvia, okay, I see your note from Sept 2021 (diff), but have they done this lately? Please provide WP:DIFFs. In any case, my sense is that they don't know that their talk page exists. Perhaps a p-block from the main article space would work to get their attention that it does. El_C 13:26, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry for the delayed reply. Their last such edit to a Malaysian poltician's Wiki page is on Ayub Jamil, made on 13 September 2021.
- Here's the edits compared and here are the links to the individual revisions before and after.
- I have plans to revert the editors actions and shortening infoboxes in a way that doesn't completely remove information, but I don't really want to do so without talking to PutraOsakaTokyo first. I'd rather not start an edit war or a spat. Thanks. Sisuvia (talk) 13:57, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, so you've warned them against doing it on Sept 2021, and they stopped doing it, also on Sept 2021. Did I get that right? El_C 14:03, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- Wait no, sorry I messed up. Ugh, god. My brain just can't today.
- I went through their contributions again and this is the (actual) last time they made the same type of edit in February 2022.
- I can't list them all because I'm not gonna go through all of their edits, but they've done the same thing on other pages at least five or six times since Sept 2021. Sisuvia (talk) 14:22, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- No worries, Sisuvia. I've indef p-blocked them from the main article space, so hopefully it'll alert them to the problems. See my note at User talk:PutraOsakaTokyo. Regards, El_C 05:05, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, so you've warned them against doing it on Sept 2021, and they stopped doing it, also on Sept 2021. Did I get that right? El_C 14:03, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- Unrelated, but an unregistered user has been editing Gabungan Rakyat Sabah and adding an entire section about its registration & legalisation even though I've told them to stop and explained why. I'm quite sure they've seen it since the contents of his edit are the exact same, meaning they probably copied it from their revision of the page which can only be accessed by going to the page's edit history. I thought about contacting them through their talk page but the edits were made with three different IPs, so I didn't think there was any point. Could you protect the page so that non-registered users can't edit it, or something like that? Thanks. Sisuvia (talk) 18:03, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- Sisuvia, it's a WP:COPYVIO of the Malay Mail, so I got rid of it. Semiprotected one week. El_C 04:50, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- Unrelated, but an unregistered user has been editing Gabungan Rakyat Sabah and adding an entire section about its registration & legalisation even though I've told them to stop and explained why. I'm quite sure they've seen it since the contents of his edit are the exact same, meaning they probably copied it from their revision of the page which can only be accessed by going to the page's edit history. I thought about contacting them through their talk page but the edits were made with three different IPs, so I didn't think there was any point. Could you protect the page so that non-registered users can't edit it, or something like that? Thanks. Sisuvia (talk) 18:03, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
Squirrely
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I want one!! Atsme 💬 📧 14:37, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's nice. But like I keep telling you, chipmunks are best. As for dggs, sorry, I've already given a Higgins away recently, so I gotta recharge my mana.
El_C 15:16, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- I spent the better part of the morning watching chipmunk videos. We don't have chipmunks here, just squirrels. I will just have to make do. I've raised baby raccoons, possums and an armadillo - each only once - not something I would repeat. Dogs are clearly a better option if you have the time to devote. Your Higgins is clearly unique. Atsme 💬 📧 18:55, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Heh, unique as in I stole it (Spencer Crittenden, I fuckin' love you!). Nice, the chiptrap has been set! El_C 06:34, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- And why doesn't Spencer Crittendon have a BLP? Atsme 💬 📧 13:33, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- Heh, unique as in I stole it (Spencer Crittenden, I fuckin' love you!). Nice, the chiptrap has been set! El_C 06:34, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- I spent the better part of the morning watching chipmunk videos. We don't have chipmunks here, just squirrels. I will just have to make do. I've raised baby raccoons, possums and an armadillo - each only once - not something I would repeat. Dogs are clearly a better option if you have the time to devote. Your Higgins is clearly unique. Atsme 💬 📧 18:55, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
Vaguely squirrel related news
My rabbit ladies pooped out their rabbit babies! (that's how that works, right?) ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:58, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, I admit to being impressed. Still, I'll take your hilarious sheep bunny and raise you one sloth god. El_C 06:34, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- Can you revdel this please? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:49, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- It's okay, the Chief, he lets me. El_C 14:59, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- The only reason I'm going to say thank you is because I don't want my baby rabbits to hear the language I hold in my heart for you. I don't want to make them bitter before they turn into dinner. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:03, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- You're a monster! El_C 15:06, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, I can't hear you over the screams of my lunch. What was that? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:08, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- Bunnies!
El_C 15:14, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- 'Now my dears,' said old Mrs. Rabbit one morning, 'you may go into the fields or down the lane, but don't go into Mr. McGregor's garden: your Father had an accident there; he was put in a pie by Mrs. McGregor.' Narky Blert (talk) 20:30, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
- Bunnies!
- Sorry, I can't hear you over the screams of my lunch. What was that? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:08, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- You're a monster! El_C 15:06, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- The only reason I'm going to say thank you is because I don't want my baby rabbits to hear the language I hold in my heart for you. I don't want to make them bitter before they turn into dinner. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:03, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- It's okay, the Chief, he lets me. El_C 14:59, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- Can you revdel this please? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:49, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
New message from Shrike
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:AE § Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Onceinawhile. Shrike (talk) 08:26, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- Wait, did they expressly request WP:AE over WP:AN as the venue for their appeal? El_C 08:40, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- Now that you saying this I am not sure but it seems the template is for AE. Do you suggest to remove it now? Shrike (talk) 08:58, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- Appellants have used the AE appeal template at AN before. It's awkward and I don't like it, but to the best of my knowledge is not prohibited. Anyway, can't remove it now that folks have started commenting, but a change of venue remains an option. I'll make a note/query of that at the appeal. Next time, please double check with the appellant before (possibly) being the one to decide the venue for them. Thanks. El_C 14:42, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- Now that you saying this I am not sure but it seems the template is for AE. Do you suggest to remove it now? Shrike (talk) 08:58, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
In need of an admin urgently
Hello. I have openend an ANI a few days ago. So far, no admin has commented or taken any measure despite the requests I have individually submitted to some of them. I would need an admin to consider my complaint. Another user has namely accused me of edit-warring for reverting a vandal (POV-pusher, FICTREF-pusher) who refuses to communicate. Could you take a look? Thanks. Veverve (talk) 15:48, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- Looks like DFO has got it covered. El_C 18:17, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
A big thank you for the protection of all the Philippine TV channel articles
Hello @El C, I would like to say a thank you for adding page protections to all of the Philippine TV channel articles (and also the ABS-CBN-related articles) in order to prevent the IP hopper vandalizing them. I was caught by surprise when the vandal jumped from the blocked IP to the other one to continue their habit of vandalizing the articles. Glad I quickly reponded by reverting their edits and reporting them at the AIV and requesting a page protections in order for these pages not to be vandalized again. Once again thank you very much! VictorTorres2002 (talk) 03:58, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- NP. BTW, did you catch my shoutout to 2019 past me? Ah, 2019, it was an innocent time... El_C 04:34, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- @El_C. Yep I saw it too. Cheers! VictorTorres2002 (talk) 04:44, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
Block
They're 'content disputes' that failed to be resolved through all other venues and resulted in conduct problems, so I'd expect ANI to be willing to help reach a settlement, given that it claims to address 'intractable' issues. I don't disclaim any wrongdoing in this whole saga, but an indef block is quite disproportionate given that my own behavior is the only one you'll scrutinize, despite evidence that the opposing party's conduct was also inadequate. If your aim is to stop edit warring, which was sporadic anyway, a warning or a temporary block would have sent an adequate message already. That page is still very awkward, so will I be prevented from doing anything about it, should you refuse to reconsider? Avilich (talk) 16:20, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
- No split discussion, please. El_C 16:43, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
Bed time update
I finished the sanding of my bed rails, got the interlocked lap joints set between the rails and bed posts, and got the bolt holes and counter sinks done! Now I just need to make the headboard, make the mortises in the head posts, assemble the headboard into them, then it's just staining, polyurethane, and painting the metal hardware black! All in all, my new bed should be fully built within a month! ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:17, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
- Songspam for you! El_C 03:40, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
- BTW, I've taken no liberties with the song title: https://www.discogs.com/release/15748591-Elise-Trouw-Studio-Live-Session El_C 03:45, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
- Headboard is constructed! Now I just have to give the glue a few days to cure up nicely. Then it's time for more sanding! ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:51, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- It better be manual sanding! El_C 21:53, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- Manual sanding? What is this, Les Miserables? Is rather sleep on the floor like a god damned animal. Well, actually, I guess it's kinda manual sanding. I have to hold my random orbital sander. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:58, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- It better be manual sanding! El_C 21:53, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- Headboard is constructed! Now I just have to give the glue a few days to cure up nicely. Then it's time for more sanding! ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:51, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- BTW, I've taken no liberties with the song title: https://www.discogs.com/release/15748591-Elise-Trouw-Studio-Live-Session El_C 03:45, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
Construction complete!
Mortises are cut, test fit the headboard, looks beautiful. At this point all actual construction is complete. I could assemble it and use it as a bed now. What I'm going to do is a bit of touch of sanding where things got dinged and scratched while I was test fitting and making adjustments, then stain, polyurethane, paint the metal hardware, install some fancy metalwork I made, and done! I think the only power tools I still have to use are my sander and my drill press, for Manning the screw and bolt holes in the hardware I made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:15, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Pics or it didn't happen. El_C 18:21, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Already sent. It's the the headboard, head rail and head posts, I didn't assembled the rest of the rails and posts together for the test fit. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:26, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
Well...
Maybe "stupid" was a bit harsh, but it's not a good look. Of course, nor was Avilich's getting on a high horse either. The whole thing on both sides is just insanely petty and idiotic ... which often happens when an impassioned "expert" in the subject matter meets the impassioned "experts" in whatever-wiki-guideline is up for discussion. It might be because while this whole kerfluffle was going on, I was also dealing with a nationalistic battleground editor on The Holocaust who has been brought up in the past for their editing issues and let off the hook - so I'm not in the best of moods about watching someone else get the book thrown at them while I'm left to deal with much more disruptive crap yet again. Ealdgyth (talk) 13:56, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
- All the above to say ... I probably shouldn't have said "stupid" and for that, my apologies. Ealdgyth (talk) 13:57, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, but it's not the book, it's a one week block, after multiple warnings. I've advised them to gain outside input into the dispute through a WP:DRR, which they may advertise to experts on relevant wikiprojects. Wouldn't that be better than continuing with the BATTLEGROUND, for naught, as they have been at ANI, even after multiple warnings? I'm thinking long term. El_C 14:06, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
- You'll note that I counseled them to drop the stick on their talk page. I just think that escalating the block to a whole week was a bit much. But I'm often a softie. Ealdgyth (talk) 14:12, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
- I'm more than happy to lift the block with immediate effect if they express an interest in resolving the content dispute the right way. Their contributions to the ANI complaint are not that. El_C 14:28, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
- You'll note that I counseled them to drop the stick on their talk page. I just think that escalating the block to a whole week was a bit much. But I'm often a softie. Ealdgyth (talk) 14:12, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, but it's not the book, it's a one week block, after multiple warnings. I've advised them to gain outside input into the dispute through a WP:DRR, which they may advertise to experts on relevant wikiprojects. Wouldn't that be better than continuing with the BATTLEGROUND, for naught, as they have been at ANI, even after multiple warnings? I'm thinking long term. El_C 14:06, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
Thanks...
I realize that probably didn't need a whole ass ANI thread but hey...it worked! In any case, they're already back and socking. CUPIDICAE💕 15:53, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
- Wow, that was fast! El_C 15:55, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
- I've also sent that page into the Shadow Realm. El_C 15:57, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
Shostakovich 2nd Piano Trio
If you don't know why the last movement (whose idiom you may recognise) is called a dance of death, listen to it before reading our article. Narky Blert (talk) 20:36, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
- Dark times. And also dark end to Ian MacDonald. El_C 23:43, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
- David Munrow's death was an unexpected and unwelcome shock. I remember Pied Piper, as mandatory listening. Narky Blert (talk) 18:36, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Will check out. El_C 12:39, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- David Munrow's death was an unexpected and unwelcome shock. I remember Pied Piper, as mandatory listening. Narky Blert (talk) 18:36, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
RfPP
Hey, don't know if you're aware but User:MusikAnimal/responseHelper makes answering RfPP requests much easier (in my opinion). It doesn't help you with the protection itself, but it lets you click to insert the standard responses. Keep up the good work. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:38, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the kind words, HJ Mitchell, and for the tip. But truth be told, I like driving manual. Yours, El_C 04:15, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- Fair enough. I like anything that saves me typing, especially if I'm editing from a phone or tablet! All the best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 09:57, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- Heh, my summaries are often too stupid for anyone but my own manual self to be associated with (example from earlier today: [6][7]), so looks like it'll be ctrl.c/v for the foreseeable future. El_C 13:46, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- Fair enough. I like anything that saves me typing, especially if I'm editing from a phone or tablet! All the best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 09:57, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
You can downgrade him to semi-protected as his thing is now over 81.104.240.42 (talk) 23:25, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- Sure np.
Done. El_C 04:17, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
Question.
Hi ElC, hope you're doing well. I didn't want to add this to ANI as enough already has been said, so I'll ask here if you don't mind. Do you think this is canvassing? They could've chosen any third party user, but choose someone involved from the overlapping Turks/Kurds area and a tr-wiki admin, who also happened to vote in a discussion they participated recently. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 19:17, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not El C, but I reached out to the user and advised them about canvassing. Hopefully that takes care of it. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:11, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you Mr Radish. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 20:16, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- My pleasure. Just picking up the slack that El C can't handle. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:21, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, sorry, I'm watching Tessa Lamb survive (?) dark time lords and a zombie apocalypse, you know how it goes. El_C 22:50, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- Probably better than this shit my wife has me watching. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:56, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- Update: this is very bad. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:17, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- I was not aware of the term body horror. Back to the body horror: with her trusty SCAR-L and a Remington 870 and a Glock 18C. As one barricaded location after another falls to the horde, escaping in multiple vehicles through treacherous roads with a dwindling party, as they face deadlier and deadlier zombies and entities, some of which are locals (NPCs), some real players (infected). As the fog and darkness closes in (literally), their mettle is tested. Probably the best non-comedy GTA V RP I've seen thus far. El_C 23:33, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- Nothing has happened yet in this movie. There's a baby alien, which they keep saying smells bad. This is no The Thing. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:35, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- My heart leapt when I heard those sweet words uttered: Cornwood you're still alive?! (timestamp). Hope lingers yet still. El_C 23:45, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- Well this movie still has nothing going on. At least all the characters are horrible and unlikeable. I'm on team alien kills all the women. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:49, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- Well, shit. Tessa's down. Moving to Cornwood. Starting point: Sheriff Cornwood returns to PD, faces zombie apocalypse on first day back. El_C 00:32, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Well my movie is done, and it was hot garbage. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:39, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Magic racoon joins PD, befriends Cornwood (sorta):
check. Patient zero not actually a random dog on a peer:
check. Senior Captain Sheriff Cornwood manning the technical's .50 cal, shooting [quote] literally every person not in a PD uniform:
check
check
check. The adventure continues. El_C 12:21, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Well, after having time to sleep in the movie I watched last night, I realized it's still definitely hot garbage. On the other hand, I looked at my contributions, and within the next month or so I should pass 10,000 edit requests handled. That's quite a few. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:58, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's... a lot. I think I answered, like, 5. Anyway: James Randal makes a brief appearance (left for dead). El_C 18:10, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- To be fair, the vast majority are vandalism I revert, empty requests I remove or requests I summarily deny, so it's not as impressive as it seems. Wish me luck, tomorrow starts the season of my trying to fill my freezer with trout. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:55, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Five, I tell you! I had Halibut for lunch. It was super-good. El_C 23:05, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Also: TESSAAAA! El_C 00:55, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- To be fair, the vast majority are vandalism I revert, empty requests I remove or requests I summarily deny, so it's not as impressive as it seems. Wish me luck, tomorrow starts the season of my trying to fill my freezer with trout. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:55, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's... a lot. I think I answered, like, 5. Anyway: James Randal makes a brief appearance (left for dead). El_C 18:10, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Well, after having time to sleep in the movie I watched last night, I realized it's still definitely hot garbage. On the other hand, I looked at my contributions, and within the next month or so I should pass 10,000 edit requests handled. That's quite a few. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:58, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Magic racoon joins PD, befriends Cornwood (sorta):
- Well my movie is done, and it was hot garbage. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:39, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Well, shit. Tessa's down. Moving to Cornwood. Starting point: Sheriff Cornwood returns to PD, faces zombie apocalypse on first day back. El_C 00:32, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Well this movie still has nothing going on. At least all the characters are horrible and unlikeable. I'm on team alien kills all the women. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:49, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- My heart leapt when I heard those sweet words uttered: Cornwood you're still alive?! (timestamp). Hope lingers yet still. El_C 23:45, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- Nothing has happened yet in this movie. There's a baby alien, which they keep saying smells bad. This is no The Thing. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:35, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- Probably better than this shit my wife has me watching. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:56, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, sorry, I'm watching Tessa Lamb survive (?) dark time lords and a zombie apocalypse, you know how it goes. El_C 22:50, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- My pleasure. Just picking up the slack that El C can't handle. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:21, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you Mr Radish. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 20:16, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
Finale: Cornwood crashes technical, but still manages to drive his party to safety in a minivan as the city is nuked from orbit (it's the only way to be sure). Or was it all just a (fever) dream? El_C 09:04, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
Battle of Izium (2022)
Article Battle of Izium (2022) may need protection. Less than an hour after it was created, anonymous IP editor (that already previously removed sourced content and its references in other articles) removed content and its RS references (WSJ & CNN) from the article as seen here [8][9][10][11]. He has continued with his actions despite already being reverted twice, by me and one other editor. EkoGraf (talk) 20:50, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- He's now also resorted to inserting unsourced information contrary to cited references. Example [12][13], inserting that the Russians were still attempting to surround the city, despite being told in the edit summary that the cited source clearly states the city is already blockaded. EkoGraf (talk) 21:11, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
Done. That's Senior Captain Cornwood to you! El_C 23:09, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ay ay Captain! EkoGraf (talk) 23:21, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Senior Captain, how dare you?! And how dare you rely on "Russian claims" (apparently) by citing the... Wall Street Journal. El_C 23:24, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry Senior Captain, didn't know the Wall Street Journal was bought by the Russian oligarchs. XD PS In all seriousness, I thought about it a bit later and removed it myself since the WSJ may have been stating it based on the earlier Russian MoD statement, but didn't attribute it. If it becomes more clearer in a few days that the town has actually been taken I will reinstate it. EkoGraf (talk) 23:29, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- I mean, I'll leave it to your discretion as I know next to nothing about this battle, but broadly speaking, it isn't really our role to dig into whatever primary sources reputable 2ndry sources make use of in their reporting. Now, if other 2ndry sources were to say otherwise, or, if the original publication made a correction, or, if new info were to come to light in some other way (as seem to have been the case here) and any combination therein... that's different. El_C 00:42, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- I totally agree on all accounts. However, the thing that pushed me towards this is that it seems the Institute for the Study of War has argued the battle is still ongoing, contrary to WSJ and even a US DoD official who confirmed its capture. So I would rather wait a few more days for more sources to show, so I could argue the case with more verifiability and resolve issues such as this [14]. EkoGraf (talk) 00:56, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- I mean, I'll leave it to your discretion as I know next to nothing about this battle, but broadly speaking, it isn't really our role to dig into whatever primary sources reputable 2ndry sources make use of in their reporting. Now, if other 2ndry sources were to say otherwise, or, if the original publication made a correction, or, if new info were to come to light in some other way (as seem to have been the case here) and any combination therein... that's different. El_C 00:42, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry Senior Captain, didn't know the Wall Street Journal was bought by the Russian oligarchs. XD PS In all seriousness, I thought about it a bit later and removed it myself since the WSJ may have been stating it based on the earlier Russian MoD statement, but didn't attribute it. If it becomes more clearer in a few days that the town has actually been taken I will reinstate it. EkoGraf (talk) 23:29, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Senior Captain, how dare you?! And how dare you rely on "Russian claims" (apparently) by citing the... Wall Street Journal. El_C 23:24, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ay ay Captain! EkoGraf (talk) 23:21, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
Planning
Alex Glasgow - "As Soon As This Pub Closes"
Narky Blert (talk) 08:40, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- I understood most of it! I thought it was "pub," though, not pob. El_C 14:00, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- That's Geordie, from the posh (south) side of the river, Gateshead (2 syllables in "gate"). Depending on where you are, the "u" in "pub" can be almost anything.
- Chucking-out time will not be televised: Splodgenessabounds - Two Pints of Lager and a Packet of Crisps Please. Narky Blert (talk) 15:10, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- True, I've definitely heard p00b before. And those crisps are chipsy (and those chips are crispy, even). El_C 21:51, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
WP:NSPORTS
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
- Next stop WP:RFPP/D. Any admin can adjust my protection as they see fit, including lifting it outright. I need not be consulted or even notified about that. El_C 17:42, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for the full protection at WP:NSPORTS. Would you consider restoring the last stable version, given that this is an oft-referenced guideline. Alternatively, tag the page with the full {{pp-dispute}} (i.e. without |small=yes
), saying that the current version is not necessarily endorsed. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 09:13, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- NP. Sure, I've done the latter. Best, El_C 09:33, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- El C, is it your intention that the NSPORTS RfC will not be fully implements until late April? The version you've protected still includes many participation-based criteria, which there is clear consensus against. I'm not sure why the editor who filed at 3RR felt that removal of SNGs was a problem. –dlthewave ☎ 15:21, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- I didn't know there was an RfC, so no intention there. Also, I didn't understand what
the editor who filed at 3RR
meant. Are you sure it's germane to my protection, whatever that is? El_C 15:34, 29 March 2022 (UTC)- Sorry, I meant WP:RFP. The RfC at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Sports notability shows clear consensus to remove participation-based criteria (which is what Cassiopeia was complaining about at 3RR), but editors attempting to implement it have repeatedly been reverted wholesale. I guess my concern is that admins are treating this as a dispute/edit warring situation rather than directly addressing editors who are blocking implementation of the RfC consensus, leading to the old non-consensus version being protected. –dlthewave ☎ 15:46, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- I didn't know there was an RfC, so no intention there. Also, I didn't understand what
- El C, is it your intention that the NSPORTS RfC will not be fully implements until late April? The version you've protected still includes many participation-based criteria, which there is clear consensus against. I'm not sure why the editor who filed at 3RR felt that removal of SNGs was a problem. –dlthewave ☎ 15:21, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not so sure protection was required in this case (it was only the usual suspects, Dlthewave and No Great Shaker), but I must say I share at least partially the concerns about the delaying-tactics the various protections to the page have, likely unwittingly, enabled. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 15:49, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- RandomCanadian, your edit immediately above includes what appears to be a breach of WP:NPA against dlthewave and myself. Would you please strike our names out of the message? Thank you. No Great Shaker (talk) 16:19, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, El_C. Sorry for having to interpose with the request above but "usual suspects" is uncivil and it is untrue to say that only two people were involved in the chaos this morning. You were absolutely right to protect the page because a further period of collaborative discussion will be necessary before everyone involved understands and agrees how and when the RfC will be implemented. Thanks again. No Great Shaker (talk) 16:19, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ordinarily, the expectation is for a contested RfC to be formally closed B4 it is implemented. I have no idea what's going on there (at VPN). It's archived but there's no closing summary for some reason. It isn't even closed with the {{rfc top}} + {{rfc bottom}} tags, but {{atop}} + {{abot}} ones. So yeah, whatever is going on there, I don't get it. El_C 16:29, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- The RfC most certainly was formally closed, even if Wugapodes didn't use the standard template, and the closure review didn't reach consensus to overturn. See their assessment of the current situation here: There's consensus to implement subproposal #3, which has not been overturned, and the only remaining question is what exactly counts as "participation" vs "merit based" criteria. –dlthewave ☎ 17:00, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oh, that whole thing at the top in plain text was the close? Weird. I'll fix that. Again, I'm not really in the position to comment on the specifics. If everything does get settled before the protection lapses, let me know so that I can unprotect early. Or anyone else can take over the protection (that would be ideal for me). El_C 17:09, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- What a confusing closing summary format (irrespective of my use of the correct tags). No idea who closed the other items listed. I'm inclined to give up at this point. El_C 17:28, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oh, that whole thing at the top in plain text was the close? Weird. I'll fix that. Again, I'm not really in the position to comment on the specifics. If everything does get settled before the protection lapses, let me know so that I can unprotect early. Or anyone else can take over the protection (that would be ideal for me). El_C 17:09, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- The RfC most certainly was formally closed, even if Wugapodes didn't use the standard template, and the closure review didn't reach consensus to overturn. See their assessment of the current situation here: There's consensus to implement subproposal #3, which has not been overturned, and the only remaining question is what exactly counts as "participation" vs "merit based" criteria. –dlthewave ☎ 17:00, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ordinarily, the expectation is for a contested RfC to be formally closed B4 it is implemented. I have no idea what's going on there (at VPN). It's archived but there's no closing summary for some reason. It isn't even closed with the {{rfc top}} + {{rfc bottom}} tags, but {{atop}} + {{abot}} ones. So yeah, whatever is going on there, I don't get it. El_C 16:29, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
Please unprotected the page. If you don't want to get familiar with the history of the dispute, that's fine, but "drive-by" full protection is not fine, your actions seriously hamper everyone else's ability to implement the RfC result. We had an RfC, we had a close challenge, and if there is continued disruption at the page (which there is), the community can handle it (there are other admins who are familiar with the history). Do you remember my raft joke from a few years ago? It's about this exact situation. Thanks, Levivich 17:35, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- No. Find those other admins and get them to do it. El_C 17:37, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
Double bold voting
Hi, I saw you clerking (and reverting) what you though was a double bold vote on the MEK talk, and I just noticed a discussion at ANI that touched on the same issue. More generally, I've seen the matter crop up on various discussions, but without reference to a policy. Is there a specific guideline on making multiple bolded responses in discussions, or is it just a community best practice/clerking matter? Iskandar323 (talk) 10:07, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- I don't know or don't remember if it's spelled out anywhere. El_C 10:25, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
Hi
The accusation of racism by Drmies is a bridge to far in my book and I don't see the outcome not resulting in me being topic banned. So if you just want to do it be my guest. I don't really care that much about it anyway. Nor do I feel like sitting through the endless barrage of gaslighting or doing the amount boot licking it would take for me to not be topic banned. So there's zero reason to continue the ANI complaint. Thanks. --Adamant1 (talk) 03:31, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
Gaslighting
andboot licking
, got it. El_C 03:36, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
In need of ANI intervention
Hello. I have opened an ANI here. Could you have a look at it and, if possible, impose sanctions where needed?
Last time I opened an ANI for this user, no action was taken until three days later after I asked some admins to have a look at it, so this time I decided to start asking sooner. The admin Ymblanter does not want to intervene for - from what I understand - ethical reasons. Thanks in advance. Veverve (talk) 18:47, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Veverve. Sorry, but generally, I don't want to look at complex arbitration enforcement requests at ANI. I don't like its format for that. I prefer WP:AE. To that: this user hasn't even been given a discretionary sanctions alert, so procedurally, that would have to happen first. Anyway, I just don't think ANI works well in resolving disputes of that nature. It's unlimited word count, freeform threaded discussion often gets long and convoluted.
- But I randomly looked at one example (that's all I have time for right now) in which the user replaced Yuzhne with a redlink on the Odessa page, which in turn was called "pure vandalism." But then they created that page, Pivdennyi Port, whose veracity I can't speak of, but on the surface looks okay'ish. My point, then, is that it's all about how the evidence is compiled and presented. @Tsans2: courtesy ping.
- Finally, just to be clear: I don't want the case effectively filed, or the matter argued, here, on my talk page. My above note is more of a statement on my position than an invitation to discuss the particulars of the dispute (which would also serve to split the ongoing discussion). So either one of you, respond only if you absolutely must (concisely). El_C 20:00, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
- Would you prefer to discuss the sign I saw on a urinal that said , "OUT OF ORDER DUE TO REPAIR"? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:04, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
- @El C thanks for a ping. I was also shocked when I was called a vandal after changing the misleading link to Yuzhne city instead of not-yet-written article about Pivdennyi Port (till 2017 Yuzhnyi). Then, I just translated a page about one of the largest Ukrainians seaports and this red link became normal one :) Tsans2 (talk) 09:29, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
- No worries, but I hope you could see why folks would be concerned when you replace a blue link with a read one that leads nowhere (even if it's inherently more precise). Sorry to see you got WP:TBAN'd. The topic areas covered by discretionary and general sanctions are especially volatile on the project, so there's just a lot less leniency to be had there. Usually, I tell users to wait 6 months -worth of productive editing elsewhere before they should appeal, but in your case, I think 3 might be enough — based solely on how inexperienced you are (otherwise again, I'm not familiar with your history outside of that one example I listed). Good luck! El_C 13:01, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
Might be of interest
Hi ElC, the page Farukh you protected is seeing some potential sockpuppetry. Particularly interesting the Talk:Farukh#Requested_move_27_March_2022 discussion, an IP and an account with single contributions [15], [16]. I was watching an unrelated ANI thread about SPI issues and whatnot, so didn't want to file an SPI straight ahead. Do you think it's warranted here? ZaniGiovanni (talk) 21:01, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- Not sure, but labeling !votes by those accounts as {{canvassed}} or {{spa}}, respectively, should help the closer. El_C 21:48, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- Done, thanks. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 22:38, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
Talk:Farukh
Hi,
Just interested, is voting for rename here considers quality or number of the voters?
I did a research, and initial research on which this proposal for rename does not consider that in Azerbaijani correct name of the village is Farrukh, not Farukh.
Saying that here is the more detailed research, which completely opposes initial one. "Farrukh" absolutely outnumbers both "Parukh" and "Farukh":
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Google scholar: -"Parukh" "Karabakh": 0 results -"Farukh" "Karabakh": 9 results -"Farrukh" "Karabakh" 171 results. -“Farrukh” “Azerbaijan” 1100 results.
-"Parukh" "Karabakh": 5,850 results -"Farukh" "Karabakh": 411 results -"Farrukh" "Karabakh" 6180 results -“Farrukh” “Azerbaijan” 8150 results.
- "Parukh" "Karabakh": 262 results - "Farukh" "Karabakh": 465 results - "Farrukh" "Karabakh" 255 results. - “Farrukh” “Azerbaijan” is 357 results.
- "Parukh" "Azerbaijan" 92 200 results - "Farrukh" "Azerbaijan" 165 000 results - "Farukh" "Azerbaijan" 15 500 results. |
Thanks in advance,
Regards, --Abrvagl (talk) 16:22, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello. Sorry, I don't understand why you're telling me about it. What's my connection to this page? El_C 16:25, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
- Never mind, looks like I protected it for a year a week ago (AEL diff). But I still don't understand what you're asking me to do (or why you refactored material from the WP:RM over here). El_C 16:33, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
- The reason why I contacted you is because I do not know many people on the Wikipedia. Basically, without context, my question is in the voting process for rename / delete decisions, does admin consider number of votes or actually the case it self (quality of the votes)? Abrvagl (talk) 16:51, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
- Quality. See WP:NOTAVOTE. El_C 16:59, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot! Abrvagl (talk) 18:05, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
- Quality. See WP:NOTAVOTE. El_C 16:59, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
- The reason why I contacted you is because I do not know many people on the Wikipedia. Basically, without context, my question is in the voting process for rename / delete decisions, does admin consider number of votes or actually the case it self (quality of the votes)? Abrvagl (talk) 16:51, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
- Never mind, looks like I protected it for a year a week ago (AEL diff). But I still don't understand what you're asking me to do (or why you refactored material from the WP:RM over here). El_C 16:33, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
April corner
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First psalm in April: Psalm 17, - please update when you can.
O dear, I never signed ... - (I asked one admin before (Graham87):) Could you please move Boris Lyatoshinsky to Borys Lyatoshynsky, as the article says, and I find in international concert announcements? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:37, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
Done and
Done. I punctuate! El_C 15:51, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- That's great, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:23, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
Could you take a look?
Hi ElC, sorry to bother you but could you take a look at the user WikiNutt? They keep edit-warring and removing material from an article without any consensus or discussion [17], [18], [19], [20]. Apparently, this user thinks personal attacks through edit description is the way to go despite multiple warnings in their talk page:
I don't expect impartiality from someone named "HistoryofIran" on this subject. (after being warned).
I tried to reason with them but to no avail. They edit-warred again [21], and again no talk discussion whatsoever or consensus. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 02:47, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
Blocked – for a period of 2 weeks. El_C 15:55, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/Agapornis_fischeri_-_pair_2.jpg/299px-Agapornis_fischeri_-_pair_2.jpg)
- A blast from the past! (circa 2002). El_C 08:40, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- Longing for Home (circa 2008). El_C 11:34, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- For when just plain Distractions are afoot. El_C 16:54, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
- Spinning over simple things. El_C 08:17, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
Lyrics:
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(Intro)
(Verse one)
(Chorus)
(Outro)
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Memories of Spain
- Chick and Hiromi my 2p. regards. -Roxy the sycamore. wooF 16:20, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
Resting: a compilation
The return of Remix surfing
- Face to Face (masks save lives) — El_C 13:11, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
Air
Water
Fall songspam
- Money Trees (original) → Sembari Edit → DJ Dahi & DJ Rahki: Sample masters — El_C 20:19, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- Enemy → (Worlds 2021 version → Radio edit → Orchestral/instrumental) → Guns for Hire → Goodbye — El_C 10:39, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
- Everywhere at the End of Time (Nexpo 4-min summary) → Full album (6.5 hours) — El_C 02:14, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
- Every Day Is Exactly the Same (Acoustic cover) → Sam Fog vs. Carlos D Mix — El_C 12:00, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- Sunny (Papik w Wendy Lewis) → Francesco Cofano Remix → w Peter De Girolamo (instrumental) → Bobby Hebb original — El_C 10:24, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- The Hanukkah Waltz →Christmas Oratorio (BVW 248 #41, Aria (tenor)) — El_C 14:15, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- Secret of the Forest (Flite) → Jordan Chin → Contraband Reloaded → Kara Comparetto — El_C 07:06, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
- Decisions (AM Intro) → You Could Be (ft. George Riley) → Quest Select (AM Outro) — El_C 15:32, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
- Kiss from a Rose (Heidi Jutras) → Joe McBride → Trinití → David Simmons, Jr. — El_C 16:00, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
- In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed (acoustic, live 1992) → Studio version → Fillmore East, 1971 — El_C 15:58, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
Morning Dew — El_C 00:09, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
Delight Earth — El_C 10:36, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
Funk No.1 — El_C 12:53, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
Children Of The World — El_C 05:42, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
Sometimes I Feel Like a Motherless Child — El_C 22:02, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
Lay Down — El_C 14:09, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
Colorless — El_C 16:13, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
Viva L'amore — El_C 02:58, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Chris Hedges: "The Meaning of Christmas" (December 27, 2020). El_C 23:50, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Ordinary Things: "The Evil Business of 2021" (December 31, 2021). El_C 14:21, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, everyone, with very few exceptions, I will not be accepting any new requests for administrative intervention on my talk page for the foreseeable future. In the meantime, enjoy the music! El_C 18:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
- Now also introducing Buck Flower, security guard (challenging times ahead!). El_C 12:46, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
- So much good music! River Man in particular is always a favourite of mine. Jr8825 • Talk 19:02, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
- Now also introducing Buck Flower, security guard (challenging times ahead!). El_C 12:46, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
HOW to deal with vandalism and POV pushing of User:Emir of Wikipedia
Hi El C,
The user:Emir of Wikipedia is clear vandalism and POV pushing.
What he is doing is a clear case of nothing but WP:DISRUPTIVE editing.
1) What's the POINT of having citations duplicated/repeated for no reason?
2) Another instance where the Lead is already re-written, he still adds the "lead needs to be re-written" tag.
3) No other page on wiki has reliable source needed and citation needed tags every other line! Shouldn't One tag for the whole para be enough?
4) Every line of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_Osman_Ali_Khan#Honours_and_Eponyms has got need quotations to verify tag. thereby making article look very UNTIDY and messy I must say.
Yes, everyone has right to opinion, but disruptive editing is not the way sir. Request you to do the needful, be it involving a neutral editor OR taking action on the said account OR whatever you dseem fit.
Sincere Thanks, Abby1101 (talk) 04:41, 7 April 2022 (UTC)