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The result was redirect to List of BattleTech games. czar 05:38, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Succession Wars[edit]

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It actually pains me to AfD this as I'd very much like to instead rescue this (I am a fan of BTech and I actually own this very game, which I think is a relatively rare collectible evoking the "oh, cool" feeling from anyone familiar with this, a bit like the Dune (board game)). I tried to expand this for a DYK, but failed to find any reliable discussion of this. No reviews, no media buzz about it being cool, nothing. I asked User_talk:Guinness323#The_Succession_Wars who has shown a flair for finding sources in this context, but he drew a blank as well, ditto for User_talk:BOZ#The_Succession_Wars. As things stand, it appears this game fails WP:GNG and at best may merit a redirect to List of BattleTech games, but I'd very much like to be proven wrong here. PS. Current sources include a sentence-long mention in the SF Encyclopedia ([1], fails WP:SIGCOV) and a review [2] from a fanpage ("Site created and maintained by Terren Bruce. This page is simply a fan created site which is in no way affiliated or endorsed by Fasa Corporation.") so a WP:SPS-fail. A while ago there were rumors of a reprint but it seems the idea was shelved and generated no media coverage, even the cited press release(?) didn't make it to the Internet Archive ([3]). The idea was also suggested a bit earlier, but again it didn't get any traction outside of the official blog post: [4] that I can find. Other than that, all we get are a few mentions in passing like in the SF Encyclopedia, confirming that the game exists, but no SIGCOV: [5], PPS. Here's the fan wiki page about this, it does not have anything useful outside noting the name of the German edition ([6]), which I assume Guinness323 already accounted for. PPPS. It doesn't help that the name of the game is a generic, in-universe at least - we get a bunch of google hits, but they tend to be about the fictional history event much more than about the game ([7]). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:05, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction and fantasy-related deletion discussions. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:05, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:05, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy Keep The nomination openly states that it doesn't want to delete the article. Per WP:NOTCLEANUP, AfD is not the right place to request help developing an article. 99% of Wikipedia's articles are imperfect and AfD is just for those which are hopeless. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:29, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep if sources can be found (and courtesy pinging @Guinness323: for clarification on any questions above), otherwise merge to BattleTech or List of BattleTech games per WP:ATD and WP:PRESERVE. BOZ (talk) 12:10, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to the main article or list as above. Without sources establishing independent notability, this cannot meet WP:GNG. TTN (talk) 13:35, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to List of BattleTech games - It doesn't look like there is anything currently that would need to be merged to that page, but anything that I'm missing in that regards can be done so from the history. I was also unable to find any additional sources on the game from searches outside of the passing mentions noted in the nominiation. The official blog post mentioning the possibility of a reprint was eight years ago, so it seems very likely that idea will never come to fruition, but if it someday does, and that reprint gains proper coverage, this can always be spun back out then. Rorshacma (talk) 15:13, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I can confirm that I have been unable to find RS yet for this article. I have been thumbing through my collection of various magazines from the late 80s, looking for reviews, etc., no luck yet. Searches on the interwebs likewise fruitless to date. Guinness323 (talk) 21:43, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect in lieu of a valid argument for the article to be kept. The most fervent keep vote here is laughable and borders on obfuscation, but more importantly, sources are required by WP:SIGCOV. So far, it has not been claimed or substantiated by anyone that reliable third party coverage exists. A quick glance at Google doesn't pull up anything substantial either. Darkknight2149 06:47, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to List of BattleTech games: as pref. Alternative for deletion, argumentation per nom CommanderWaterford (talk) 10:33, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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