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Miscellany for deletion (MfD) is a place where Wikipedians decide what should be done with problematic pages in the namespaces which aren't covered by other specialized deletion discussion areas. Items sent here are usually discussed for seven days; then they are either deleted by an administrator or kept, based on community consensus as evident from the discussion, consistent with policy, and with careful judgment of the rough consensus if required.
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Information on the process[edit]
What may be nominated for deletion here:
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Please familiarize yourself with the following policies[edit]
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April 17, 2024[edit]
User:Albanianhistory111[edit]
- User:Albanianhistory111 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
WP:COPIES of Montenegro Flounder fillet (talk) 02:02, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
User:LeniRico[edit]
- User:LeniRico (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
On its face, this user page is an unreferenced autobiography of a living person. Because it is unreferenced, there is no way to be sure that it is or is not true, but on two readings, it seems to be the originator's fantasy. If it is not true, then it is a hoax. If it is true, it is still an unreferenced biography of a living person. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:56, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete - blatant U5 as personal webpage and/or writing not relevant to Wikipedia. Flounder fillet (talk) 02:06, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. I agree with the above. Bduke (talk) 02:53, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
User:Leakerman42[edit]
- User:Leakerman42 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
WP:COPIES of Selena Gomez Flounder fillet (talk) 01:07, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - A copy of an article, and so a content fork. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:18, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
User:ERIC SAMUEL KUHOGA[edit]
- User:ERIC SAMUEL KUHOGA (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
This user page is a resume by a user who has made no other use of Wikipedia than to post this resume, and so can be deleted as U5. It is also an unreferenced biography of a living person. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:50, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete U5 is a criterion for speedy deletion. A speedy deletable page is obviously also deletable. Flounder fillet (talk) 00:53, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - agree with above. Bduke (talk) 02:55, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
User:Andrea Firmin[edit]
- User:Andrea Firmin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
This user page is an unreferenced biography of a living person. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:44, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - as U5/G11 explicit use of a user page as a personal webpage and self-promotion. Flounder fillet (talk) 00:58, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - agree with above. Bduke (talk) 02:57, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
User:Anonymous ddoser[edit]
- User:Anonymous ddoser (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
WP:COPIES of bankruptcy Flounder fillet (talk) 00:39, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom.—Alalch E. 00:40, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as a U5 content fork. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:16, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
User:Letstrybetaaccount[edit]
- User:Letstrybetaaccount (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
WP:COPIES of Linux. Flounder fillet (talk) 00:16, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - This is a copy of an article into user space, with no apparent reason for the copy, and so is a content fork. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:13, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
User:YahyaMardanshahe[edit]
- User:YahyaMardanshahe (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
WP:COPIES of Death of Mahsa Amini Flounder fillet (talk) 00:11, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - This is a fully referenced copy of an article in user space by a user who has done nothing else, and so is a content fork that will not be updated. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:11, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
April 16, 2024[edit]
User:Naidu Empires[edit]
- User:Naidu Empires (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
WP:COPIES of a page on Tamil wikipedia Flounder fillet (talk) 23:45, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as U5. There has not been any request for translation, but that is not the issue. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:07, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
User:Freelearner123[edit]
- User:Freelearner123 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
WP:COPIES. Crude copy-pastes of English language and Respiratory system mixed with each other. Flounder fillet (talk) 23:33, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Because this is what the nominator says it is, it is semantically meaningless. It qualifies as U5 by an editor who came to Wikipedia, left this coprolite, and departed. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:05, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
User:THE COOLEST PERSON EVER20324[edit]
- User:THE COOLEST PERSON EVER20324 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
WP:COPIES of list of the tallest people Flounder fillet (talk) 21:27, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - A copy of an article, and so a content fork. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:41, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above.—Alalch E. 23:28, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
User:Guaporez[edit]
- User:Guaporez (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
Appears to be WP:COPIES of Salsa (dance) Flounder fillet (talk) 21:03, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Probably copied for a school assignment. Copies of articles in user space are content forks, which diverge from the articles. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:40, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above.—Alalch E. 23:29, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
User:Aim is important[edit]
- User:Aim is important (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
Appears to be partial WP:COPIES of an old version of historical fiction. (paragraph about Pharaoh is still present in current revision of that page) Flounder fillet (talk) 20:38, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - A fragmentary copy of an article still is not a permitted use of user space. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:43, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above.—Alalch E. 23:28, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
User:Chip tuning[edit]
- User:Chip tuning (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
WP:FAKEARTICLE, possibly WP:COPIES of an ancient version of chip tuning. Flounder fillet (talk) 20:33, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Probably a copy submitted as a homework assignment. A content fork. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:44, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above.—Alalch E. 23:29, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
User:SmartSpace[edit]
- User:SmartSpace (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
Over a decade old one-edit wonder Ctrl+a ctrl+c copy of Abraham Lincoln. WP:COPIES Flounder fillet (talk) 18:30, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - This is an unsourced copy of a biography of a dead person. It was likely created as homework for a school assignment, but that does not matter one way or the other. It is a content fork because it is not being updated when the article is being edited. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:28, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above.—Alalch E. 23:30, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
User:Gilbert roman[edit]
- User:Gilbert roman (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
WP:COPIES. Copy of Pape Latyr N'Diaye. Flounder fillet (talk) 18:26, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - On the one hand, this is a sourced copy of a biography of a living person. On the other hand, like any unnecessary copy of an article, it is a content fork subject to obsolescence, which is another reason why copies of articles are not permitted. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:24, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above.—Alalch E. 23:30, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
User:Wikiqedia Encyclopedia[edit]
- User:Wikiqedia Encyclopedia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
Old partial copy of mainspace article. WP:COPIES Flounder fillet (talk) 15:09, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per nominator. Another improper copy, and the work of another blocked one-edit wonder. (Some of the one-edit wonders are not blocked.) Robert McClenon (talk) 16:26, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above.—Alalch E. 23:31, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
User:KellyAudio[edit]
- User:KellyAudio (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
WP:FAKEARTICLE Flounder fillet (talk) 13:49, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - As the nominator says, this is a fake article. The creating account is globally locked, maybe as a promotional account. This page was the work of another one-edit wonder. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:23, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. WP:COPIES applies; see Gene Lavanchy.—Alalch E. 23:32, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
User:Davis1997[edit]
- User:Davis1997 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
Appears to be an old copy of a mainspace article. WP:COPIES Flounder fillet (talk) 13:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - As per nom, this is an old copy of an article. This copy was made by an editor who made one edit, creating this copy, and then departed. The user may have used it for a school paper, but that is not important. Some of the other nominations by the nominator are similar illustrations. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:18, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Question - User:Flounder fillet - Do you have a query that finds these copies by an editor who made one copy and then disappeared? Robert McClenon (talk) 16:18, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- The "potential U5s" database report (well, actually a modified version of it, because it's broken right now) detects these along with U5s (and a wide range of other strange user behaviour, I'd say about half of the English-language user pages in it's output are deletion-worthy) because it looks for long userpages of users with no mainspace edits. Flounder fillet (talk) 17:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Also everything I nominated today is from ordering Cryptic's query by least edits, except "Harry Potter with Tin Tin", which I found because it is one of the longest userpages found by this query in all of Wikipedia. Flounder fillet (talk) 18:13, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Interesting. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:39, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Also everything I nominated today is from ordering Cryptic's query by least edits, except "Harry Potter with Tin Tin", which I found because it is one of the longest userpages found by this query in all of Wikipedia. Flounder fillet (talk) 18:13, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- The "potential U5s" database report (well, actually a modified version of it, because it's broken right now) detects these along with U5s (and a wide range of other strange user behaviour, I'd say about half of the English-language user pages in it's output are deletion-worthy) because it looks for long userpages of users with no mainspace edits. Flounder fillet (talk) 17:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above. Keep 'em coming.—Alalch E. 23:34, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
User:Harry Potter with Tin Tin[edit]
- User:Harry Potter with Tin Tin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
WP:COPIES. Old copy of Virat Kohli. Flounder fillet (talk) 13:33, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - In addition to being a useless copy of an article, this is an unsourced biography of a living person. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:13, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - The editor made one edit, or one surviving edit, to create this copy, and then departed. The nominator is finding them. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:20, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above.—Alalch E. 23:33, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
April 15, 2024[edit]
Wikipedia:Translation/Urban Network[edit]
- Wikipedia:Translation/Urban Network (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
Incomplete translation from Japanese, abandoned since 2008. Other subpages of Wikipedia:Translation such as Wikipedia:Translation/Tanja Ostojić seem to be requests for translation. TSventon (talk) 10:06, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Isn't there a CSD criterion for this? There certainly should be. Otherwise, delete. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment to User:Pigsonthewing - How frequent are these abandoned subpages? CSD criteria should be Objective, Uncontestable, Frequent, and Nonredundant. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:10, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Delete - This seems to be abandoned in project space. It also seems to be in English, so it doesn't appear to be a request for translation. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:10, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
User:Lt Gen Rajeev Chaudhry, Vsm (Veteran)[edit]
- User:Lt Gen Rajeev Chaudhry, Vsm (Veteran) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
A WP:FAKEARTICLE that was deleted as U5 and recreated by user with no explanation Flounder fillet (talk) 23:36, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete COI/SPA, WP:NOTRESUME, zero references. Uhai (talk) 09:32, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - This is both a fake article and an unsourced biography of a living person. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:05, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
April 14, 2024[edit]
Draft:Devanga Dharma[edit]
- Draft:Devanga Dharma (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
Article already exists in verbatim at Devanga, minus a few words author wants removed (see all five copies of edit requests made 13 April 2024 on Talk: Devanga). Requests were declined due to lack of a WP:RS. Zinnober9 (talk) 00:47, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- please remove some content like shudra from devanga page please see reference in devanga dharma page Harishsk2022 (talk) 05:42, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- remove this line it is not true we are not lower caste "They are of Shudra status in the Hindu caste system." Harishsk2022 (talk) 05:44, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete the draft as a recent copy of the old article. It should never have been made, and it’s existence is an ongoing attribution hazard, and it serves no purpose. SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:21, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete as a copyright violaton. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:54, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- [EC] Delete this content fork. Oh yes, it's a copyright violation too. -- Hoary (talk) 11:56, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete but do not speedily delete, because G12 doesn't apply since WP:RIA can be employed; of course, in spite of that, the page should be deleted.—Alalch E. 12:43, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - copy of existing article and blatant attempt to game the system and get around the page protection of the original. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 14:18, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as attribution violation and unnecessary copy. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:56, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
April 13, 2024[edit]
Draft:The Monument Mythos[edit]
- Draft:The Monument Mythos (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
Person who created subject requests deletion of the draft. DeIIveloper (talk) 01:47, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- For context see Draft talk:The Monument Mythos#Please, delete this draft for my mental sanity and User talk:Pppery#Monument Mythos Speedy Deletion. No opinion on whether this should be deleted or not. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:51, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The draft is okay.—Alalch E. 12:20, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- He said to delete it. I don't know what you're on about. DeIIveloper (talk) 18:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- There is no policy grounds on which to delete. It's a fine draft with potential for inclusion in the encyclopedia, and if not quite as a standalone article, it could be merged into the already-existing content on this topic at Analog horror#The Monument Mythos; and not only should, it will be merged, because I will do it (unless the draft is moved to article space, which I haven't decided on yet). See also the discusion on my talk page: User talk:Alalch E.#The Monument Mythos article. —Alalch E. 18:38, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- @DeIIveloper: Please don't blank the page like you did here: Special:Diff/1218824521 —Alalch E. 02:20, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- He said to delete it. I don't know what you're on about. DeIIveloper (talk) 18:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. User:Alalch E. has adopted it. There is no reason to delete. SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:20, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- This isn't very mature. He's in a really bad mental spot and I think its for the better to help him recover. There is no reason to adopt an article about a subject that the creator of said subject would like to be removed. Technically, it is his and he has the right to do whatever he wants with it, and he wants it gone from this site. End of discussion. Nada. Nope. Nothing more. DeIIveloper (talk) 02:20, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- By publishing on Wikipedia, you agree to the Terms of Use and agree to irrevocably release your text under the CC BY-SA 4.0 License and GFDL.
- Sorry. If you want to make a personal appeal, make it to User:Alalch E..
- Perhaps he can find some help in User:Tamzin/Guidance for editors with mental illnesses. SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:08, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Alex didn't agree to this. He did nothing to the article. We did, but he didn't and now he wants it gone. DeIIveloper (talk) 13:27, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- It is not clear whether this topic is notable or not. It may or may not be. In either case, I recommend removing all BLP information. The person is not notable, and although not private, there are BLP concerns that can be respected without detriment to coverage of the topic. SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:11, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think it makes the content better but I did it. —Alalch E. 23:15, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- This isn't very mature. He's in a really bad mental spot and I think its for the better to help him recover. There is no reason to adopt an article about a subject that the creator of said subject would like to be removed. Technically, it is his and he has the right to do whatever he wants with it, and he wants it gone from this site. End of discussion. Nada. Nope. Nothing more. DeIIveloper (talk) 02:20, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - This seems like a draft with promise, even if currently I'm a bit dubious about its notability (much of the sources seem to be top 10 lists and trend pieces). If nothing else it can be merged into Analog horror#The Monument Mythos. I'll also note for DeIIveloper that this article doesn't belong to the creator of the work and, while in the case of a BLP of a relatively unknown person who requests deletion, we may acquiesce, per WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE), this is not a biography and has very little bio information in it, so doesn't really qualify. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 09:42, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- funny joke haha DeIIveloper (talk) 22:29, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. It's a draft, notability doesn't need to be established for a page to exist in this namespace. The content here is useful, even if it ends up being merged into another article. Funnyfarmofdoom (talk to me) 23:24, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as per Alalch E. and others. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:52, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above. Babysharkboss2 was here!! Hold me like a Grudge 13:45, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- delete. the guy who made the series wants the draft deleted for his sake. the lack of compassion above is astounding. ltbdl (talk) 11:19, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Compassion doesn't build an encyclopedia. The topic was treated in a sensitive and due way, and the user who claims to be the person connected to the subject matter was talked to patiently and respectfully, and things were explained to him. —Alalch E. 12:51, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
April 12, 2024[edit]
Draft:Doucet, Quebec[edit]
- Draft:Doucet, Quebec (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
This place does not appear to exist. I couldn't find it in the Canadian Geographical Names Database ([1]). There are a number of places or features called Lac-Doucet, but the only one that is a place (and not a geographical feature) is located at 46° 28′ 4″ N, 72° 38′ 23″ W, which is near Trois-Rivieres, neither north nor west. But notwithstanding not being able to find it on a map, I did find a source for the claimed coldest temperature record ([2]) which we've repeated (unsourced) in other articles, which seems like it warrants further investigation. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:20, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Well, I did find a Doucet, Quebec in the Canadian government's weather database, and it does record a temperature of -54.4 C on February 5, 1923. ([3]) There is no data for this place after the mid-1930s, and the coordinates given are the middle of a forest. Maybe there was a logging camp or something near here 100 years ago? I haven't been able to find any more information, AI has made Google absolutely useless for this kind of thing. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:45, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Ignore. MfD is not a help service for AfC. See WP:NDRAFT. Reasons to nominate a draft include any line item at WP:NOT, or tendentious resubmission. Or an unsourced BLP. SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The "village" claim was concerning but that can be fixed editorially.—Alalch E. 14:20, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: WP:Drafts are not checked for notability or sanity. Not a hoax in the WP:G3 sense. Curbon7 (talk) 22:40, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - It's a draft, and it's a real meteorologigcal record. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:40, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Draft:Existence operating systems[edit]
- Draft:Existence operating systems (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
"Draft template" created by an anonymous IP, with no obvious explanation of what it would be used for. The text of it is "If i better operating system is needed, please add, copy and paste your template source page", but it's rather unclear what operating systems and template code have to do with each other, so it's not clear what purpose pasting your template source page anywhere would serve, and the template fails to explain where your template source page is to be pasted.
If this kind of thing were necessary at all, it would need to be created by established Wikipedians who knew what they were doing. Bearcat (talk) 17:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Page containing almost only incomprehensible text, close to WP:G1. Saved by the "Please note that it is not template, its draft template" part, which is comprehensible. The rest is not comprehensible.—Alalch E. 19:38, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Useless, and very close to G1. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:43, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This template has only been used once on this page as an April Fool's prank, although the edit was done after April 1st. 27 is my favorite number. You can ask me why here. 18:10, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
April 11, 2024[edit]
User:HansWobbe/Books/SrEd References[edit]
- User:HansWobbe/Books/SrEd References (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
This is a grab bag deletion of discussion regarding a network of related pages created by banned User:HansWobbe. This is discussion is focused on his "lightly edited template pages", which I feel have a good case for deletion given they probably fall under WP:UP#GOALS. Most of these seem to have been in an effort ot make a Wikipedia book (a now depricated feature). I'm doing this so I don't have to open an MfD for all of these articles, and will list them below:
- User:HansWobbe/Books/SrEd References
- User:HansWobbe/toc
- User:HansWobbe/index
- User:HansWobbe/Books/my Wiki Book
- User:HansWobbe/Books/HwW Views
- User:HansWobbe/Books/SrEd References
- User:HansWobbe/Books/References
- User:HansWobbe/Books/my Wiki Book
- User:HansWobbe/Books/HwW
- User:HansWobbe/Books/HwW Views
- User:HansWobbe/Books/SrEd References
- User:HansWobbe/Books/References
- User:HansWobbe/index/templateH
- User:HansWobbe/template:SrEd
- User:HansWobbe/template:SrEd
- User:HansWobbe/updates
- User:HansWobbe/template:templateH
- User:HansWobbe/Notes
- User:HansWobbe/template:ToDoH/post it
Allan Nonymous (talk) 14:32, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Procedural close or Keep -I have not reviewed the pages, but it is probable that some of them should be deleted and some should be kept. The editor has been indefinitely blocked, not banned, and the guidelines say that we normally keep files of departed or blocked users, who might return. (I think that I disagree with the guideline, but it is a plausible guideline, and should be respected.) Robert McClenon (talk) 03:10, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Template:User hate CCP[edit]
- Template:User hate CCP (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
WP:UBCR and WP:POLEMIC. Divisive userbox. Broc (talk) 08:46, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The word 'hate' should not appear in userboxes.—Alalch E. 09:08, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- I lean to supporting this, but not without limit. A userbox might mention hate without expressing or advocating hate.
- There are several transcluders. The transcluders should be advised of this discussion. SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:38, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Courtesy ping to the transcluders of this userbox: SunDawn Moreno Ardan1 EnverTheHero Magnatyrannus Partyfrittata R09a21045 TeddyRoosevelt1912 Carlinal Michigander901 PoisonHK Delta2571 -- Broc (talk) 07:16, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks SmokeyJoe (talk) 11:11, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Broc, SmokeyJoe, specifically pinging people who are likely to !vote in a certain way is WP:VOTESTACKING. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:16, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- No, it is not. The proposal is to alter these people’s userpages, altering their self-introductions, with an allegation that they are doing something wrong. There are therefore key stakeholders. Their contribution here is not to vote, but to explain, or defend. If the userbox is deleted, they may be accused of disruption if they put a similar back. This outcome is an obvious failing of natural justice. SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:27, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Broc, SmokeyJoe, specifically pinging people who are likely to !vote in a certain way is WP:VOTESTACKING. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:16, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks SmokeyJoe (talk) 11:11, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Courtesy ping to the transcluders of this userbox: SunDawn Moreno Ardan1 EnverTheHero Magnatyrannus Partyfrittata R09a21045 TeddyRoosevelt1912 Carlinal Michigander901 PoisonHK Delta2571 -- Broc (talk) 07:16, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- If like to ask them, what is it about the CCP that they hate. Then, I’m sure it can be improved by an edit. SmokeyJoe (talk) 11:12, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Hate of a political class of tyrants should not be equated with a group of individuals. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:44, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Dislike towards an organization (that has done "things") is different than hating millions of Chinese. I didn't think the word "hate" should immediately be construed as divisive. I didn't think "hating" the Nazi Party or ISIS is violating WP:UBCR.✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 11:03, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: My usage of the anti-CCP infobox isn't of any malice towards Chinese culture or society at all, but as a protest against the party's omnipresent dominance and human rights violations that led to a moral decline within the country's political state, if not with China altogether. This includes but is not limited to Mao Zedong's cult of personality (similar with Joseph Stalin's), several massacres (Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution and Red August, the Tiananmen massacre and suppression of its discussion and the related), declining human and Internet rights, and other forms of crimes against humanity. That's what I hate about the party and its impact; I believe other users with the infobox aren't drastically different in motive. The party's slogan is "Serve the People", but it only serves itself, of a code not revealed to anyone with any sympathy. I wouldn't be anti-communist in the first place if all of this never happened. My use of this infobox is not light, and it speaks out for the preservation of common sense and human dignity. Carlinal (talk) 13:06, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Wording Change: I am a Hong Konger, and this template sums up a large part about my childhood in the city, so I'm definitely against deleting the template entirely (please see Hong Kong-Mainland China conflict). I personally have no problem using the word "hate" towards a political organization that has no respect for human rights whatsoever, but I can understand why some would feel problematic about this. So, I would be fine if the template is re-worded to take out the word "hate" but keep much of the meaning, something along the lines of: "This user strongly condemns the CCP (for its gross violations of human rights)". TeddyRoosevelt1912 (talk) 14:15, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. It is disruptive to use userspace or projectspace as a WP:SOAPBOX. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:14, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Not to move away from focus on this infobox, but with several more examples and an entire category's worth of similarly politically charged infoboxes, how exactly does this one cross the line? Carlinal (talk) 00:00, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- This userbox being nominated doesn't mean it's special, it was just the one that happened to be nominated. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 01:40, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Not to move away from focus on this infobox, but with several more examples and an entire category's worth of similarly politically charged infoboxes, how exactly does this one cross the line? Carlinal (talk) 00:00, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Wikipedia is not the place for this; WP:SOAPBOX per above. Uhai (talk) 09:42, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
April 10, 2024[edit]
Talk:Qazwsxedcrfvtgbyhnujmikolp[edit]
- Talk:Qazwsxedcrfvtgbyhnujmikolp (edit | subject | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
This subpage isn't useful, despite the tag on it. Highly implausible query. 🇺🇲JayCubby✡ please edit my user page! Talk 17:48, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, pending a statement from User:L293D, who tagged it as useful, because I don't see the utility of this page, but am ready to consider an explanation. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:52, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Create the mainspace redirect to QWERTY. Not an implausible implausible query. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:40, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Create Qazwsxedcrfvtgbyhnujmikolp as a redirect per SmokeyJoe. Undeletion is consistent with policy. The deletions were not consensus-based. There was an RfD but it lasted a day and was also interrupted by a speedy deletion, and this can not be considered a deletion by consensus: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2008 August 31#Qazwsxedcrfvtgbyhnujmikolp → QWERTY. The nomination statement in that RfD is also completely erroneous. Unlike what the nominator said, this is not something created by mashing keys randomly in different combinations. This redirect was like Qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm. "Qazwsxedcrfvtgbyhnujmikolp" produces results when googled.—Alalch E. 08:56, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Although qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm is arguably a more plausible query than qazwsxedcrfvtgbyhnujmikolp. I don't think we need redirects from every possible key combination. I just RfD'd Qwertqwert for the same reason. 🇺🇲JayCubby✡ please edit my user page! Talk 17:05, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- It should be recreated then nominated at RfD. I think it's plausible. Please keep in mind that the deletions were not carried out per a consensus. —Alalch E. 17:35, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Although qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm is arguably a more plausible query than qazwsxedcrfvtgbyhnujmikolp. I don't think we need redirects from every possible key combination. I just RfD'd Qwertqwert for the same reason. 🇺🇲JayCubby✡ please edit my user page! Talk 17:05, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Nonsense. Nobody is going to search for the QWERTY keyboard by writing the keys vertically. No reason to keep this around forever. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Create redirect and send to RfD: If the redirect wasn't deleted by consensus, we should just create it and, if anyone objects to it, send it to RfD. If the RfD is closed as delete, this will naturally be deleted. I personally think it's WP:CHEAP, but I digress. Queen of ♡ | speak 18:55, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Create redirect and send to RfD: Yes, there was an RfD in 2008, but it had little participation and the result was a speedy deletion anyway. I would say there's not much point going to DRV for this. A lot of bored people in work/school (I would know) end up just mashing random key combinations. Just look at the pageviews for Qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm. Even if we divide that by 5, that's still ~30 page views/month, which is sizeable. —Matrix(!) {user - talk? -
uselesscontributions} 20:13, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Old business[edit]
April 3, 2024[edit]
Wikipedia:Voting for busy beavers[edit]
- Wikipedia:Voting for busy beavers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
I don't even remember how I came across this essay, but I am a little dumbfounded by it. It advocates for keeping a list of trusted contributors (called the "White List") and a group of not trusted contributors (called the "Black List"). It then calls for !voting on RfAs/RfBs/RfCs based on how they were supported by people on the "White List"/"Black List", without considering the merits of the candidate/issue. If you are so busy that you cannot consider a proposal/candidate on the merits, ignore the discussion. Don't !vote a certain way because of how people on your "White List"/"Black List" !voted.
I don't necessarily think this needs deletion, but it certainly needs userfication. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:42, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Userfy as per nominator. But who are the Crowd People to whom the author refers? Robert McClenon (talk) 03:18, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Iserfy might be OK, but we would just be better off by deleting it. Bduke (talk) 04:13, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. It is a valid essay about a real feature of the Wikipedia community, about what I would call the dramaboards regulars. I support the essay for addressing a serious issue. Such essays belong in projectspace. This is not to say that I agree with the proposed solution. I agree, it seems dumbfounding, but I think it is worth studying before probably editing away dumb bits. There is enough merit in the essay to keep it. To improve it, I would probably confine brainstorming ideas to a subsection, and put more effort into a study of the dramaboards regulars of the years. I have observed this behavioural oddity for many years, and believe it is significantly lessened. One can see, for example, that the compulsive “Oppose” RfA !voters who would nearly always !vote “oppose” with a rationale that did not vary with the nominee, are now virtually all blocked. If you install the gadget that reveals signatures of blocked editors, you can see it quite clearly in old RfAs. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:24, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- This is an old essay, from 2013, which more reflects Wikipedia in 2013 than 2024. It was written by a productive and respected editor, active from 2006 until retirement in 2014.
- He later returned, and was a bit too grumpy, whether he was more grumpy than before, or whether Wikipedia in 2019 was less tolerant of grumpy productive editors (cf the unblockables) than in the older years. In any case, what happened in October-November 2019 has no bearing on the historical insights recorded in the 2013 essay. SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:32, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- I have edited the essay, cutting harshly, and I believe it is now not a problem, and what’s left is a valuable historical observation. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:57, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Userfy. I wouldn't complain about SmokeyJoe making a new essay but... per HouseBlaster, I'm not sure that was really the point of the original essay? Meaning a clean slate might be a better approach. (The old essay was about "if you're lazy, just vote with the group you trust", which is exactly the kind of !votes we do NOT want and are basically just noise, since they haven't engaged with the fundamentals of whatever's under discussion.) SnowFire (talk) 03:00, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- So, I've culled the bad idea, which was most of the page, and left behind an interesting observation, more relevant to 2013 than 2024. The only problem I have with userfying for User:Incnis_Mrsi is that he might come back and db-u1 it. Maybe userfy to my userspace? But I don't claim it as mine, I just claim that it is an historical observation of some value. SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:40, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- What if we userfy to his userspace, but use a WP:DUMMY edit to save an edit summary requesting that it be moved to your userspace if it is tagged with {{db-u1}}? HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 12:42, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Probably the best course of action. thetechie@wikimedia: ~/talk/ $ 00:45, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- What if we userfy to his userspace, but use a WP:DUMMY edit to save an edit summary requesting that it be moved to your userspace if it is tagged with {{db-u1}}? HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 12:42, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- So, I've culled the bad idea, which was most of the page, and left behind an interesting observation, more relevant to 2013 than 2024. The only problem I have with userfying for User:Incnis_Mrsi is that he might come back and db-u1 it. Maybe userfy to my userspace? But I don't claim it as mine, I just claim that it is an historical observation of some value. SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:40, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Userfy. It's not patent nonsense. It's misleading, but not so grossly problematic that it has to be deleted from Wikipedia outright. We don't delete essays or screeds we disagree with. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:28, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
April 1, 2024[edit]
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Earth (21st nomination) |
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The result of the discussion was: consensus to title blacklist, no consensus to delete. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:07, 16 April 2024 (UTC) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Earth (21st nomination)[edit]
Trying to finally put a stop to this. DrowssapSMM 12:34, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Delete, it stopped being fun. Adding the above regular expression to the title blacklist will help. Alfa-ketosav (talk) 18:27, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
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February 22, 2024[edit]
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Brion Vibber Interviews |
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The result of the discussion was: no consensus to delete. The arguments from those in favor of keeping the article based on its value as a redirect were not sufficiently rebutted, and since those look to be the prevailing argument, I've gone ahead and just made this one a redirect of my own accord. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 17:58, 16 April 2024 (UTC) Wikipedia:Brion Vibber Interviews[edit]
Ancient junk from 2006 of no actual historical value. If kept rename to Wikipedia:Brooke Vibber interviews. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:41, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
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