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Categories for discussion (CfD) is the central venue for discussing specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories and stub types in accordance with the guidelines for categorization, category naming and stub articles.
For detailed instructions about using CfD, see "How to use CfD" below. Briefly, nominations are handled through one of two processes:
- Speedy renaming and merging, for uncontroversial proposals that meet specified criteria—see "Speedy renaming and merging" below.
- Full discussion, for all other proposals. Discussions typically remain open for at least seven days and are closed once a rough consensus has formed or no objections to the nomination are raised.
Except in uncontroversial cases such as reverting vandalism, do not amend or depopulate a category once it has been nominated at CfD as this hampers other editors' efforts to evaluate a category and participate in the discussion.
When a category is renamed or merged with another category, in limited circumstances it may be helpful to leave an instance of the {{Category redirect|...}} template on the category's former page. See "Redirecting categories" below for more information.
Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a CfD request that is limited in scope to renaming, as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the request closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of a CfD move discussion to determine whether or not the close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines. CfDs involving deletion should be reviewed at Wikipedia:Deletion review.
Scope[edit]
CfD is intended only for specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories or stub types. For general discussion about how to improve the category system, use other appropriate venues such as Wikipedia talk:Categorization, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories, and any relevant WikiProjects' talk pages.
Current discussions[edit]
Discussions awaiting closure[edit]
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 7 (15 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 5 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 March 30 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 March 8 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 March 1 (3 open)
See also the list of individual discussions awaiting closure here and the list of full open discussions awaiting closure here.
How to use CfD[edit]
Nomination procedure[edit]
Twinkle[edit]
You may use Twinkle to facilitate CfD nominations. To install Twinkle, go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and check "Twinkle" in the "Browsing" section. Use the now-installed "XfD" (Start a deletion discussion) tab while viewing the page you want to nominate.
Twinkle only allows you to nominate a single category or stub template. For bundled nominations including multiple categories, or if you prefer not to use Twinkle, follow the manual steps below.
MassCFD[edit]
You can use the script User:Qwerfjkl/scripts/massCFD to automatically make mass nominations.
Manual nominations[edit]
I | Preliminary steps.
Before nominating a category:
In the following special cases:
For further information, see Wikipedia:Categorization and Wikipedia:Manual of Style. |
II | Edit the category.
Add one of the following templates at the beginning of the category page (not the talk page) of every category to be discussed. For nominations involving large numbers of categories, help adding these templates can be requested here.
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III | Create the CFD section.
Click THIS LINK to edit the section of CfD for today's entries. Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) to copy and paste one of the templates below. When inserting category names into these template's parameters, except the
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Stub types[edit]
I | Preliminary steps.
In general, a stub type consists of a stub template and a dedicated stub category. Before nominating a stub type for deletion, merging or renaming:
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II | Edit the template.
Add one of the following tags at the beginning of the template to be discussed.
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III | Create the CFD section.
Click THIS LINK to edit the section of CfD for today's entries. Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) and paste the following text (remember to update the default parameters):
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Notifying interested projects and editors[edit]
In addition to the steps listed above, you may choose to invite participation by editors who are likely to be informed about a nominated category. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing. In addition, to help make your messages about the CfD discussion clear, avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations, link to relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the discussion itself.
- Notifying related WikiProjects
WikiProjects consist of groups of editors who are interested in a particular subject. If a nominated category is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, consider adding a brief, neutral note on their talk page(s) about the nomination. You may use {{subst:cfd notice|Category name|2024 April 15|CfD section name}} ~~~~
or write a personalized message.
Tagging the nominated category's talk page with a relevant WikiProject's banner will include the category in that WikiProject's Article Alerts if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a nominated category with {{WikiProject Physics}} will add the discussion to Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.
- Notifying substantial contributors to the category
While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and main contributors of the category that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, check the category's page history or talk page. You may use {{Cfd notice}}
to inform the category's creator and all other editors.
- Notifying other interested editors
It may be helpful to invite other subject-matter experts by posting a message on the talk page of the most closely related article, such as Protein family for Category:Protein families. You may use {{Cfdnotice}}
for this.
Closing procedure[edit]
After seven days, someone will close the discussion according to the consensus that formed or, if needed, relist it to allow more discussion. Editors closing discussions must follow the administrator instructions and, except in the case of a "keep" or "no consensus" outcome, implement the result or log it at the Working page to ensure it is implemented.
Redirecting categories[edit]
In general, an unpopulated category should be deleted (see speedy deletion criterion C1) because it is not useful for navigation and sorting. In limited circumstances, and because categories cannot be redirected using "hard" redirects (i.e. #REDIRECT[[''target'']]
), we use a form of "soft redirect" to solve the issue. You can create a category redirect by adding {{Category redirect|target}}
to the category page. Bots patrol these categories and move articles into the "redirect" targets.
In particular, category redirects are used at the former category name when we convert hyphens into en dashes (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations). It is also helpful to set up category redirects from titles with plain letters (i.e. characters on a standard keyboard) where the category names include diacritics.
A list of redirected categories is available at Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories.
Speedy renaming and merging
Speedy renaming or speedy merging of categories may be requested only if they meet a speedy criterion, for example WP:C2D (consistency with main article's name) or WP:C2C (consistency with established category tree names). Please see instructions below.
- Determine which speedy criterion applies
- Tag category page with
{{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
or{{subst:cfm-speedy|Merge target}}
- List request along with speedy criteria reason under "Current requests" below on this page
Please note that a speedy request must state which of the narrowly defined criteria strictly applies. Hence, any other non-speedy criteria, even "common sense" or "obvious", may be suitable points, but only at a full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion.
Request may take 48 hours to process after listing if there are no objections. This delay allows other users to review the request to ensure that it meets the speedy criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.
Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g., "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}}
with no required delay. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{db-empty}}. Renaming under C2E may also be processed instantly (at the discretion of an administrator) as it is a variation on G7.
To oppose a speedy request you must record your objection within 48 hours of the nomination. Do this by inserting immediately under the nomination:
- Oppose, (the reasons for your objection). ~~~~
You will not be able to do this by editing the page WP:Categories for discussion. Instead, you should edit the section WP:Categories for discussion#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here or the page WP:Categories for discussion/Speedy#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here (WP:CFDS). Be aware that in the course of any discussion, the nomination and its discussion may get moved further down the page purely for organizational convenience – you may need to search WP:CFDS to find the new location. Participate in any ongoing discussion, but unless you withdraw your opposition, a knowledgeable person may eventually bring forward the nomination and discussion to become a regular CFD discussion. At that stage you may add further comments, but your initial opposition will still be considered. However, if after seven days there has been no support for the request, and no response from the nominator, the request may be dropped from further consideration as a speedy.
Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be untagged and delisted after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}
. If the nominator wants to revive the process, this may be requested at WP:Categories for discussion (CfD) in accordance with its instructions.
If you belatedly notice and want to oppose a speedy move that has already been processed, contact one of the admins who process the Speedy page. If your objection seems valid, they may reverse the move, or start a full CFD discussion.
Speedy criteria[edit]
The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:
C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes[edit]
- Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
- Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).
- Correction of obvious grammatical errors, such as a missing conjunction (e.g. Individual frogs toads → Individual frogs and toads). This includes pluralizing a noun in the name of a set category, but not when disagreement might reasonably be anticipated as to whether the category is a topic or set category.
C2B: Consistency with established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices[edit]
- Expanding abbreviated country names (e.g. U.S. → United States).
- Disambiguation fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state) or Category:Washington, D.C.).
C2C: Consistency with established category tree names[edit]
Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names
- This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
- This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
- This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).
C2D: Consistency with main article's name[edit]
- Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
- This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is:
- unambiguous (so it generally does not apply to proposals to remove a disambiguator from the category name, even when the main article is the primary topic of its name, i.e. it does not contain a disambiguator); and
- uncontroversial, either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). C2D does not apply if the result would be contrary to guidelines at WP:CATNAME, or there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result, or it is controversial in some other way.
- This criterion may also be used to rename a set category in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team, or places in a district.
- Before nominating a category to be renamed per WP:C2D, consider whether it makes more sense to move the article instead of the category.
C2E: Author request[edit]
- This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
- The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.
C2F: One eponymous page[edit]
- This criterion applies if the category contains only an eponymous article, list, template or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories, where applicable. Nominations should use
{{subst:cfm-speedy}}
(speedy merger) linking to a suitable parent category, or to another appropriate category (e.g. one that is currently on the article).
Admin instructions[edit]
When handling the listings:
- Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
- With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
- Make sure that there is no opposition to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing their opposition.
If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed or merged – follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is to Rename, Merge, or Delete"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.
Applying speedy criteria in full discussions[edit]
- A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
- The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
- No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
- If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.
Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here[edit]
If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.
If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.
Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:
* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
(The four ~ will sign and datestamp the entry automatically.)
If the current name should be redirected rather than deleted, use:
* REDIRECT [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
To note that human action is required, e.g. updating a template that populates the category, use:
* NO BOTS [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
Remember to tag the category page with: {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 00:01, 13 April 2024 (UTC). Currently, there are 219 open requests (. )
Current requests[edit]
Please add new requests at the top of the list, preferably with a link to the parent category (in case of C2C) or relevant article (in case of C2D).
- Category:Fluminense FC templates to Category:Fluminense FC navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists of three navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Brazil navigational boxes and Category:Navigational boxes. —andrybak (talk) 22:46, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rio de Janeiro football templates to Category:Rio de Janeiro football navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists of two navbox subcategories and three navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Brazil football navigational boxes. —andrybak (talk) 22:46, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rio de Janeiro football manager history templates to Category:Rio de Janeiro football manager history navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes (via template {{Football manager history}} and direct invocations of Module:Football manager history). Rename for consistency with Category:Navigational boxes. —andrybak (talk) 22:44, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Czech music to Category:Music of the Czech Republic – C2D: Music of the Czech Republic. NLeeuw (talk) 22:39, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cypriot music to Category:Music of Cyprus – C2D: Music of Cyprus. NLeeuw (talk) 22:38, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Croatian music to Category:Music of Croatia – C2D: Music of Croatia. NLeeuw (talk) 22:36, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Bulgarian music to Category:Music of Bulgaria – C2D: Music of Bulgaria. NLeeuw (talk) 22:35, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:British music to Category:Music of the United Kingdom – C2D: Music of the United Kingdom. NLeeuw (talk) 22:33, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina music to Category:Music of Bosnia and Herzegovina – C2D: Music of Bosnia and Herzegovina. NLeeuw (talk) 22:31, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Belgian music to Category:Music of Belgium – C2D: Music of Belgium. NLeeuw (talk) 22:29, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Belarusian music to Category:Music of Belarus – C2D: Music of Belarus. NLeeuw (talk) 22:27, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Azerbaijani music to Category:Music of Azerbaijan – C2D: Music of Azerbaijan. NLeeuw (talk) 22:25, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Austrian music to Category:Music of Austria – C2D: Music of Austria. NLeeuw (talk) 22:23, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Armenian music to Category:Music of Armenia – C2D: Music of Armenia. NLeeuw (talk) 22:22, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Andorran music to Category:Music of Andorra – C2D: Music of Andorra. NLeeuw (talk) 22:20, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Colombia arts and culture templates to Category:Colombia arts and culture navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists of two navbox subcategories and three navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Colombia navigational boxes and Category:Navigational boxes. —andrybak (talk) 21:37, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Akabane Line to Category:Saikyō Line – C2D: Akabane Line redirects to Saikyō Line. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:51, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:A24 (company) films to Category:A24 films – C2D: unambiguous Schierbecker (talk) 19:51, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Asturian culture to Category:Culture of Asturias – C2C: Child Category:Music of Asturias. Siblings in Category:Spanish culture by autonomous community. c:Category:Culture of Asturias. Important to distinguish from archaeological culture Asturian culture, which was incorrectly listed as the main article. NLeeuw (talk) 13:57, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Extremaduran culture to Category:Culture of Extremadura – C2C: Child Category:Music of Extremadura. Siblings in Category:Spanish culture by autonomous community. c:Category:Culture of Extremadura. NLeeuw (talk) 13:54, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:La Rioja (Spain) to Category:La Rioja – C2D: La Rioja. Following 2020 RM Talk:La Rioja#Requested move 12 April 2020. Entire tree should be aligned. NLeeuw (talk) 13:52, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Murcian culture to Category:Culture of Murcia – C2C: Child Category:Music of Murcia. Parent Category:Region of Murcia. Other Culture of Fooland precedents. NLeeuw (talk) 13:49, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Navarre culture to Category:Culture of Navarre – C2C: Child Category:Music of Navarre. c:Category:Culture of Navarre. C2A/C2B: 'Navarre' is a noun, the proper adjective would be 'Navarrese'. So the catname should be either 'Culture of Navarre' or 'Navarrese culture'. In the mainspace,
Culture of Fooland
has been the established convention since the late 2000s, and the category trees are now brought in line with that naming convention. NLeeuw (talk) 13:46, 14 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Balearic culture to Category:Culture of the Balearic Islands – C2C: Children Category:Music of the Balearic Islands, Category:Culture of Ibiza, Category:Culture of Mallorca, Category:Culture of Menorca. c:Category:Culture of the Balearic Islands. NLeeuw (talk) 13:41, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Andalusian culture to Category:Culture of Andalusia – C2C: Child Category:Culture of al-Andalus. Grandchildren Category:Music of Andalusia, Category:Cinema of Andalusia. Siblings in Category:Spanish culture by autonomous community. c:Category:Culture of Andalusia. NLeeuw (talk) 12:01, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Valencian music to Category:Music of the Valencian Community – C2D: Music of the Valencian Community. C2C: Siblings
Music of Fooland
. NLeeuw (talk) 11:54, 14 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Central American music to Category:Music of Central America – C2C: Children all called
Music of Fooland
. Parent Category:Culture of Central America. NLeeuw (talk) 11:41, 14 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:South American music by country to Category:Music of South America by country – C2C: Children all called
Music of Fooland
. Sibling Category:Music of Latin America. NLeeuw (talk) 11:37, 14 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:South American music to Category:Music of South America – C2C: Grandchildren all called
Music of Fooland
. Child Category:Music of Latin America. NLeeuw (talk) 11:34, 14 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Birds of the Peruvian Amazon to Category:Birds of Peruvian Amazonia --Couiros22 (talk) 09:15, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Wadi Degla S.C. to Category:Wadi Degla SC – C2D: To match the current parent article's name. Note that also all six subcategories related to the club should be moved as well. Ben5218 (talk) 05:44, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:People from Denville, New Jersey to Category:People from Denville Township, New Jersey – C2D: Match title of parent article Denville Township, New Jersey. Alansohn (talk) 03:19, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Copiah–Lincoln Wolfpack football players to Category:Copiah–Lincoln Wolves football players – C2A, C2C Jweiss11 (talk) 03:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Greek-language chronicles containing universal histories to Category:Chronicles containing universal histories in Greek – C2C: Parent Category:Chronicles in Greek. Sibling Category:Chronicles containing universal histories in Latin. NLeeuw (talk) 03:01, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Inter Kashi players to Category:Inter Kashi FC players – C2D * Pppery * it has begun... 02:10, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Inter Kashi to Category:Inter Kashi FC – C2D * Pppery * it has begun... 02:10, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:FC Shakhtyor Petrikov players to Category:FC Shakhtyor-2 Soligorsk players – C2D* Pppery * it has begun... 02:04, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Composers in the Palestine mandate to Category:Composers from Mandatory Palestine – C2C: parent is People from Mandatory Palestine Mason (talk) 23:01, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:WikiProject Calvinism pages to Category:WikiProject Reformed Christianity pages – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Unassessed Calvinism articles to Category:Unassessed Reformed Christianity articles – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:30, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Stub-Class Calvinism articles to Category:Stub-Class Reformed Christianity articles – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:30, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Start-Class Calvinism articles to Category:Start-Class Reformed Christianity articles – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:29, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Redirect-Class Calvinism articles to Category:Redirect-Class Reformed Christianity articles – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:28, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Project-Class Calvinism articles to Category:Project-Class Reformed Christianity articles – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:28, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Portal-Class Calvinism articles to Category:Portal-Class Reformed Christianity articles – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:28, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:NA-Class Calvinism articles to Category:NA-Class Reformed Christianity articles – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:28, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:List-Class Calvinism articles to Category:List-Class Reformed Christianity articles – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:28, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:GA-Class Calvinism articles to Category:GA-Class Reformed Christianity articles – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:27, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:FM-Class Calvinism articles to Category:FM-Class Reformed Christianity articles – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:27, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:FL-Class Calvinism articles to Category:FL-Class Reformed Christianity articles – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:27, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:File-Class Calvinism articles to Category:File-Class Reformed Christianity articles – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:27, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:FA-Class Calvinism articles to Category:FA-Class Reformed Christianity articles – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:27, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Draft-Class Calvinism articles to Category:Draft-Class Reformed Christianity articles – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:27, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Disambig-Class Calvinism articles to Category:Disambig-Class Reformed Christianity articles – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:27, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Category-Class Calvinism articles to Category:Category-Class Reformed Christianity articles – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:27, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:C-Class Calvinism articles to Category:C-Class Reformed Christianity articles – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:27, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:B-Class Calvinism articles to Category:B-Class Reformed Christianity articles – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:27, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:A-Class Calvinism articles to Category:A-Class Reformed Christianity articles – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:26, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Calvinism articles by quality to Category:Reformed Christianity articles by quality – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:26, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Calvinism articles needing infoboxes to Category:Reformed Christianity articles needing infoboxes – Reason JFHutson (talk) 21:22, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Calvinism articles needing expert attention to Category:Reformed Christianity articles needing expert attention – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Calvinism articles needing attention to Category:Reformed Christianity articles needing attention – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Calvinism articles by importance to Category:Reformed Christianity articles by importance – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:20, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Top-importance Calvinism articles to Category:Top-importance Reformed Christianity articles – JFHutson (talk) 21:19, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Mid-importance Calvinism articles to Category:Mid-importance Reformed Christianity articles – Reason JFHutson (talk) 21:19, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:High-importance Calvinism articles to Category:High-importance Reformed Christianity articles – Reason JFHutson (talk) 21:19, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Pages using WikiProject Calvinism with unknown parameters to Category:Pages using WikiProject Reformed Christianity with unknown parameters – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:17, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Unknown-importance Calvinism articles to Category:Unknown-importance Reformed Christianity articles – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:17, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:NA-importance Calvinism articles to Category:NA-importance Reformed Christianity articles – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:17, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Low-importance Calvinism articles to Category:Low-importance Reformed Christianity articles – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:17, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:WikiProject Calvinism articles to Category:WikiProject Reformed Christianity articles – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:17, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:WikiProject Calvinism to Category:WikiProject Reformed Christianity – C2D: Wikiproject has been moved -- JFHutson (talk) 16:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Native American bead artists to Category:Native American beadworkers – C2C: Beadworkers is parent Mason (talk) 15:18, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Indigenous bead artists of the Americas to Category:Indigenous beadworkers of the Americas – C2C: parent is Beadworkers Mason (talk) 15:17, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:First Nations bead artists to Category:First Nations beadworkers – C2C: parent is Beadworkers Mason (talk) 15:17, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:North-Caucasus Federal University to Category:Buildings and structures in Stavropol Krai – C2F. Mason (talk) 05:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Kazimierz Pułaski University of Technology and Humanities in Radom to Category:Education in Radom – C2F. Mason (talk) 04:56, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Sattler College to Category:Private universities and colleges in Massachusetts – C2F. Mason (talk) 04:15, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Milken Institute School of Public Health to Category:Colleges and Schools of The George Washington University – C2F. Mason (talk) 04:15, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Converse University to Category:Liberal arts colleges in South Carolina – C2F. Mason (talk) 04:14, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cayuga Community College to Category:Community colleges in New York (state) – C2F. Mason (talk) 04:12, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Brunswick Community College to Category:Education in New Hanover County, North Carolina – C2F. Mason (talk) 04:11, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Illyrian mythology to Category:Illyrian religion – C2D: per Illyrian religion. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:23, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Russian invasion of Ukraine by Oblast to Category:Russian invasion of Ukraine by oblast – C2C. Tagged by Teterev53 on February 17, not listed. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:22, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ottoman clothing to Category:Clothing of the Ottoman Empire – C2C. Tagged by Mason on February 1, not listed. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:22, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Joseon dynasty in fiction to Category:Joseon in fiction – C2C. Tagged by a user who has since vanished on January 31, not listed. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:22, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Education in the Joseon dynasty to Category:Education in Joseon
- Category:Films set in the Joseon dynasty to Category:Films set in Joseon
- Category:Novels set in the Joseon dynasty to Category:Novels set in Joseon
- Category:Royal consorts of the Joseon dynasty to Category:Royal consorts of Joseon
- Category:Society of the Joseon dynasty to Category:Society of Joseon
- Category:Television series set in the Joseon dynasty to Category:Television series set in Joseon
- Category:E4 comedy to Category:E4 (TV channel) comedy – C2D. Tagged by Gonnym on February 1, not listed. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:22, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:B.S. Leiden players to Category:ZZ Leiden players – C2D. Tagged by 寒吉 on February 1, not listed. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:22, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Calvinism portal to Category:Reformed Christianity portal – C2D: Portal:Calvinism moved to Portal:Reformed Christianity JFHutson (talk) 19:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Song recordings produced by Dave Stewart (musician and producer) to Category:Song recordings produced by Dave Stewart (Eurythmics) – C2D * Pppery * it has begun... 15:28, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- * Pppery *, Category:Song recordings produced by Dave Stewart (musician and producer) was emptied by an editor. I think a category merge is called for to retain page history. Liz Read! Talk! 23:56, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yep. Mburrell implemented this out-of-process by cut-paste. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:57, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- * Pppery *, Category:Song recordings produced by Dave Stewart (musician and producer) was emptied by an editor. I think a category merge is called for to retain page history. Liz Read! Talk! 23:56, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Former directly elected mayors in the United Kingdom to Category:Former directly elected mayors of places in England – C2C: per Category:Directly elected mayors of places in England. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:45, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:1864 establishment in Poland to Category:1864 establishments in Poland – C2A. Mason (talk) 12:47, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:!Templates about Rio Grande do Sul to Category:Templates about Rio Grande do Sul – C2A AusLondonder (talk) 15:48, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose @AusLondonder: It would be better
to rename to Category:Rio Grande do Sul municipality templates,C2C – for consistency with subcategories of Category:Municipality templates. —andrybak (talk) 22:41, 22 March 2024 (UTC)- Oh... I didn't quite realize the extent of the hierarchy of involved categories:
- This should be a full discussion to merge the first three into either
- or
- Article links for convenience: Rio Grande do Sul • List of municipalities in Rio Grande do Sul
- I don't even understand what "! Presets" is supposed to mean. @Joana machado2021: could you please clarify? —andrybak (talk) 22:49, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose @AusLondonder: It would be better
- I was going to come back to this yesterday but got distracted. You're right, probably worth a full discussion on all the categories. I have no clue why they're named like this. AusLondonder (talk) 08:59, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Joana has not edited English or pt Wikipedias since December. These should all be renamed speedily; "presets" are also templates. – Fayenatic London 12:23, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Andrybak and AusLondonder: can this be speedied after all, after Fayenatic london's comment, or is one of you planning to move this to full discussion? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:57, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'm OK with speedily renaming/merging all four into Category:Rio Grande do Sul municipality templates. —andrybak (talk) 10:30, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Relisting, it seems no longer opposed. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:35, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'm OK with speedily renaming/merging all four into Category:Rio Grande do Sul municipality templates. —andrybak (talk) 10:30, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Andrybak and AusLondonder: can this be speedied after all, after Fayenatic london's comment, or is one of you planning to move this to full discussion? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:57, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Joana has not edited English or pt Wikipedias since December. These should all be renamed speedily; "presets" are also templates. – Fayenatic London 12:23, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- I was going to come back to this yesterday but got distracted. You're right, probably worth a full discussion on all the categories. I have no clue why they're named like this. AusLondonder (talk) 08:59, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
Opposed requests[edit]
- Category:American female winemakers to Category:American women winemakers – Reason C2C: per siblings in Category:American women by occupation. TSventon (talk) 20:48, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Directly elected mayors in England and Wales to Category:Directly elected mayors in England – C2D: with Directly elected mayors in England — RAVENPVFF · talk · 17:43, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Procedural oppose, this should be a merge to Category:Directly elected mayors of places in England and besides this will only work properly if the subcategories are renamed to "in England" too, but that would require full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: It appears that a distinction is being made between directly elected mayors of places (e.g. London) and directly elected mayors of regions (e.g. Greater Manchester), which I think is probably worth keeping, although maybe a new subcategory might be warranted for the latter. No objection to renaming the existing subcats to match. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 16:56, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Procedural oppose, this should be a merge to Category:Directly elected mayors of places in England and besides this will only work properly if the subcategories are renamed to "in England" too, but that would require full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Neo-Latin writers to Category:Writers in Neo-Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 01:01, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose This is not very natural language. It is inconsistent with the same level categories "Classical Latin-language writers", "Latin-language writers of late antiquity", "Medieval Latin-language writers", "Old Latin-language writers", and "Renaissance Latin-language writers".
- This is because "Neo-Latin" etc are actually styles, that are associated with a period. Jim Killock (talk) 05:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Latin-language writers of late antiquity to Category:Writers of late antiquity in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Very clumsy sounding Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Classical Latin-language writers to Category:Writers in Classical Latin – C2C: Parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Very clumsy sounding Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Old Latin-language writers to Category:Writers in Old Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Sounds clumsy. Same Jim Killock (talk) 05:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Renaissance Latin-language writers to Category:Renaissance writers in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Sounds weird per others Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Medieval Latin-language writers to Category:Medieval writers in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Same Jim Killock (talk) 05:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Same. These sound weird. Jim Killock (talk) 05:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock The parent Category:Writers in Latin by period and grandparent Category:Writers in Latin and other related categories were all renamed by consensus last year: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 7#Category:Latin-language writers. These are just logical follow-ups to that result. The reason we went for this formula is explained at length in that nom. NLeeuw (talk) 15:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- But these are not "by period"; they are "by style". This especially true for Neo-Latin. The periods and styles often coincide, but not precisely. Better would be to follow the styles defined in the articles, so:
- I've explained elsewhere that the periods and styles are not precise. For instance, a writer in the Renaissance may have employed Medieval Latin, or Renaissance Latin; and some may define their Renaissance Latin as Neo-Latin. These are stylistic boundaries which roughly match period, but it is the style, not the period, that determines their classifications. Jim Killock (talk) 19:50, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock I know. Category:14th-century Neo-Latin writers were a thing; it's good that you created that category. But I don't see how it would create a problem if we renamed it Category:14th-century writers in Neo-Latin. If anything, it is even clearer that "14th-century" refers to "writers" and not to "Neo-Latin", so that we shouldn't assume that the kind of Latin they wrote was Medieval Latin. This is all the more reason in favour of renaming, so that our readers understand the difference between style and period. NLeeuw (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- The issue is that the whole category structure is used to amalgamate and conflate these two ideas. I don't have an easy solution to it, that doesn't involve some work. It's reasonable to say that a C12th Medieval Latin writer used Medieval Latin, or a C20th writer uses Neo-Latin. Boundary centuries seem debateable. However, the structure makes an absolute assumption, that century and style are the same, except where I started to break it up. This has come up in two recent discussions, the other being when someone wanted to remove my boundary category. But it's clear that the intention was that Category:Classical Latin-language writers should contain Classical Latin writers, ie be a style category, not a time category. Likewise, Late Latin and Neo-Latin. There can be doubt about medieval Latin because of it seems to refer to a period rather than a style; however as it is a set of style categories we should assume it is about style, likewise for Renaissance Latin. The fact that the categories group information from centuries is a laziness, nothing more. In short it is a mess but it is only made worse by changing the names to appear to refer to time periods, some of which don't really exist (Classical Latin isn't a time, nor is Latin Latin, nor is Neo-Latin).
- Category:Writers in Classical Latin; Category:Writers in Neo-Latin - these all refer to a style; they are acceptable from that perspective, but they sounds strange / clumsy to my ear; the natural way to say is Category:Classical Latin writers, Category:Neo-Latin writers, or as close to that as WP allows.
- Taking one example to show why the suggested formulation can sound wrong. Category:Writers in Old Latin; Old Latin is recognised as a phase of Latin, rather than a "style" of Latin, so a bit different, but it functions the same. It is like Old English, not quite the same as Modern English. So, "writers in Old Latin" doesn't work because You [verb] in [language]; you don't [person] in [language]. It is either People writing in Old Latin or Old Latin writers. So Category:Old Latin writers sounds better, another option would be Category:Writers using Old Latin.
- Category:Renaissance writers in Latin; Category:Medieval writers in Latin - refer to a time period and remove the style names. These would need to be Category:Writers in Renaissance Latin; Category:Writers in Medieval Latin. This is not great English, most natural would be Category:Medieval Latin writers, Category: Renaissance Latin writers
- So there seems to be some inconsistency of approach in the current suggestion, as well as a somewhat clumsy use of "in" that isn't needed.
- It has taken me some time to pinpoint the issue with "in"; but I think it is because language can be either a noun or an adjective. When it is a style, describing how someone writes, "Classical Latin" etc, is an adjective. If "Classical Latin" is an adjective, then "in" shouldn't be used. If "Classical Latin" is a noun, as with "Classical Latin" the topic then "in" is possible, eg "Grammar in Classical Latin", or "They write in Classical Latin". As an adjective, it works as "Classical Latin writers". --Jim Killock (talk) 00:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock I know. Category:14th-century Neo-Latin writers were a thing; it's good that you created that category. But I don't see how it would create a problem if we renamed it Category:14th-century writers in Neo-Latin. If anything, it is even clearer that "14th-century" refers to "writers" and not to "Neo-Latin", so that we shouldn't assume that the kind of Latin they wrote was Medieval Latin. This is all the more reason in favour of renaming, so that our readers understand the difference between style and period. NLeeuw (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock The parent Category:Writers in Latin by period and grandparent Category:Writers in Latin and other related categories were all renamed by consensus last year: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 7#Category:Latin-language writers. These are just logical follow-ups to that result. The reason we went for this formula is explained at length in that nom. NLeeuw (talk) 15:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion[edit]
- None currently
Moved to full discussion[edit]
- Category:Tamil language encyclopedias to Category:Tamil-language encyclopedias – C2A: MOS:HYPHEN –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:39, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- No objection, but prefer Category:Encyclopedias in Tamil per the c:Category:Encyclopedias by language naming scheme of
Encyclopedias in Fooian
. I already proposed Category:Encyclopedias in Dutch. I recommend we follow the recent renaming of Category:Texts by language, Category:Songs by language, and others to this sameThings in Fooian
naming convention for clarity and consistency. NLeeuw (talk) 00:29, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- No objection, but prefer Category:Encyclopedias in Tamil per the c:Category:Encyclopedias by language naming scheme of
- Category:Bengali encyclopedias to Category:Bengali-language encyclopedias – C2C: Category:Bengali-language literature, etc. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:38, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- No objection, but prefer Category:Encyclopedias in Bengali per the c:Category:Encyclopedias by language naming scheme of
Encyclopedias in Fooian
. I already proposed Category:Encyclopedias in Dutch. I recommend we follow the recent renaming of Category:Texts by language, Category:Songs by language, and others to this sameThings in Fooian
naming convention for clarity and consistency. NLeeuw (talk) 00:30, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- No objection, but prefer Category:Encyclopedias in Bengali per the c:Category:Encyclopedias by language naming scheme of
- Category:Albanian encyclopedias to Category:Albanian-language encyclopedias – C2C: Category:Belarusian-language literature, etc. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:37, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- No objection, but prefer Category:Encyclopedias in Albanian per the c:Category:Encyclopedias by language naming scheme of
Encyclopedias in Fooian
. I already proposed Category:Encyclopedias in Dutch. I recommend we follow the recent renaming of Category:Texts by language, Category:Songs by language, and others to this sameThings in Fooian
naming convention for clarity and consistency. NLeeuw (talk) 00:31, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- No objection, but prefer Category:Encyclopedias in Albanian per the c:Category:Encyclopedias by language naming scheme of
- Category:Belarusian encyclopedias to Category:Belarusian-language encyclopedias – C2C: Category:Belarusian-language literature, etc. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:37, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- No objection, but prefer Category:Encyclopedias in Belarusian per the c:Category:Encyclopedias by language naming scheme of
Encyclopedias in Fooian
. I already proposed Category:Encyclopedias in Dutch. I recommend we follow the recent renaming of Category:Texts by language, Category:Songs by language, and others to this sameThings in Fooian
naming convention for clarity and consistency. NLeeuw (talk) 00:32, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- No objection, but prefer Category:Encyclopedias in Belarusian per the c:Category:Encyclopedias by language naming scheme of
- @LaundryPizza03 and Nederlandse Leeuw: either you have to agree on something, or this should be moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- There are several similar CfD's that are ongoing, such as Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_1#Category:Dutch_encyclopedias, so I'd go to full. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:32, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Going full is fine with me. I hope we end up with a naming convention that is consistently applied. LP's speedy proposals are an improvement, and a fine intermediate step, but if we could skip that step and rename them all to
Encyclopedias in Fooian
in one go, well, all the better. :) NLeeuw (talk) 07:10, 5 April 2024 (UTC)- @LaundryPizza03 Is it okay if I add these 4 proposals of yours to Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_1#Category:Dutch_encyclopedias in order to centralise the discussion? I'll have
Encyclopedias in Fooian
(my proposal) as Option 1 andFooian-language encyclopedias
(your proposal) as Option 2. NLeeuw (talk) 07:15, 5 April 2024 (UTC)- PS: I recommend we keep the discussion about splitting Bulgarian encyclopedias separate. (I agree with your proposal to split them; we could always change the 2nd target's name based on the outcome of the Dutch &c. encyclopedias discussion). NLeeuw (talk) 07:21, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Okay. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:27, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 1#Category:Dutch encyclopedias. I'll update the LP's 4 nominees' tags as well, with LP's proposed name and linking to my expanded nom. NLeeuw (talk) 16:29, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- @LaundryPizza03 Is it okay if I add these 4 proposals of yours to Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_1#Category:Dutch_encyclopedias in order to centralise the discussion? I'll have
- Going full is fine with me. I hope we end up with a naming convention that is consistently applied. LP's speedy proposals are an improvement, and a fine intermediate step, but if we could skip that step and rename them all to
- There are several similar CfD's that are ongoing, such as Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_1#Category:Dutch_encyclopedias, so I'd go to full. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:32, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- @LaundryPizza03 and Nederlandse Leeuw: either you have to agree on something, or this should be moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Scholars of Mycenaean Greek to Category:Linguists of Mycenaean Greek – C2C: Uncles/aunts in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:47, 3 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Scholars of Medieval Greek to Category:Linguists of Medieval Greek – C2C: Uncles/aunts in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:46, 3 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Scholars of Koine Greek to Category:Linguists of Koine Greek – C2C: Uncles/aunts in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:46, 3 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Scholars of Ancient Greek to Category:Linguists of Ancient Greek – C2C: Uncles/aunts in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:45, 3 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Scholars of Greek language to Category:Linguists of Greek – C2C: Siblings in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:44, 3 April 2024 (UTC)- Comment Nederlandse Leeuw, I don't think the categories for Scholars of Greek are suitable for speedy renaming as the categories contain a mixture of scholars of Greek language and literature. Also Latin is the other classical language and there is no Category:Linguists of Latin. TSventon (talk) 22:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- @TSventon I discussed thus with @Fayenatic london in another thread (about Category:Grammarians of Persian), he thought it was a good idea. It's virtually impossible to study the literature of a language without also studying the language itself. (I've been studying Old East Slavic as an amateur lately, because I want to write about Rus' chronicles on Wikipedia). Also, Category:Latinists exists; it currently serves the same function as a Category:Linguists of Latin would. NLeeuw (talk) 02:50, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Nederlandse Leeuw, I have looked at the content of the categories and am suggesting that these categories are not suitable for speedy renaming. I am happy for the CfD admins to accept or reject my argument. Studying the literature of a language generally involves studying the language itself, but some academics focus more on literature and others on liguistic topics and this is reflected in our categories. Category:Latinists exists and has a Greek counterpart, Category:Hellenists. TSventon (talk) 14:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Okay. I'm not convinced this makes them unsuitable for speedy renaming, but we'll see. Otherwise I'm happy to move to full, although I think it's unnecessary. NLeeuw (talk) 14:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think this kind of discussion is better held at a full CfD than here. Ymblanter (talk) 19:43, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 5#Category:Scholars of Greek language. NLeeuw (talk) 10:06, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think this kind of discussion is better held at a full CfD than here. Ymblanter (talk) 19:43, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Okay. I'm not convinced this makes them unsuitable for speedy renaming, but we'll see. Otherwise I'm happy to move to full, although I think it's unnecessary. NLeeuw (talk) 14:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Nederlandse Leeuw, I have looked at the content of the categories and am suggesting that these categories are not suitable for speedy renaming. I am happy for the CfD admins to accept or reject my argument. Studying the literature of a language generally involves studying the language itself, but some academics focus more on literature and others on liguistic topics and this is reflected in our categories. Category:Latinists exists and has a Greek counterpart, Category:Hellenists. TSventon (talk) 14:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- @TSventon I discussed thus with @Fayenatic london in another thread (about Category:Grammarians of Persian), he thought it was a good idea. It's virtually impossible to study the literature of a language without also studying the language itself. (I've been studying Old East Slavic as an amateur lately, because I want to write about Rus' chronicles on Wikipedia). Also, Category:Latinists exists; it currently serves the same function as a Category:Linguists of Latin would. NLeeuw (talk) 02:50, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Nederlandse Leeuw, I don't think the categories for Scholars of Greek are suitable for speedy renaming as the categories contain a mixture of scholars of Greek language and literature. Also Latin is the other classical language and there is no Category:Linguists of Latin. TSventon (talk) 22:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
PLEASE NOTE: I have moved all of the following Categories here pending adequate confirmation of their eligibility under C2C. I made a serious effort to look for that, but was unable to find such confirmation. There is a massive jumbled welter of Categories in this realm, with no prevailing pattern that I can discern. Anomalous+0 (talk) 07:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:20th-century Canadian people by ethnic or national origin to Category:20th-century Canadian people by descent – C2C: Special:Diff/1196829100 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:51, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian people by century and ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian people by century and descent – C2C: Special:Diff/1196829100 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:51, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:20th-century American people by ethnic or national origin to Category:20th-century American people by descent – C2C: Special:Diff/1195787538. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American people by century and ethnic or national origin to Category:American people by century and decent – C2C: Special:Diff/1195787538. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Male actors by ethnic or national descent to Category:Male actors by ethnicity – C2C: See Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:31, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Male television actors by ethnic or national descent to Category:Male television actors by ethnicity – C2C: See Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:31, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television actresses by ethnic or national descent to Category:Television actresses by ethnicity – C2C: See Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Actresses by ethnic or national descent to Category:Actresses by ethnicity – C2C: See Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television actors by ethnic or national descent to Category:Television actors by ethnicity – C2C: See Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Actors by ethnic or national descent to Category:Actors by ethnicity – C2C: See Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:29, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Anomalous+0, I have linked Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 10#Container categories by descent down below; is that not enough? 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:02, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
++
- Category:American rappers by ethnic or national origin to Category:American rappers by descent – C2C: See also Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 10#Container categories by descent for all the ones below. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Members of the United States Congress by ethnic or national origin to Category:Members of the United States Congress by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian musicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian musicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American gangsters by ethnic or national origin to Category:American gangsters by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Northern Mariana Islands people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Northern Mariana Islands people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American social scientists by ethnic or national origin to Category:American social scientists by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian people by ethnic or national origin and century to Category:Canadian people by descent and century – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Romanian people by ethnic or national origin and occupation to Category:Romanian people by descent and occupation – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Murdered American people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Murdered American people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:08, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American sculptors by ethnic or national origin to Category:American sculptors by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:08, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American people by ethnic or national origin and century to Category:American people by descent and century – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:08, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American classical musicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:American classical musicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:08, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American male actors by ethnic or national origin to Category:American male actors by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:08, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American singers by ethnic or national origin to Category:American singers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Malaysian politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Malaysian politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:French politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:French politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Dutch politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Dutch politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Transnistrian people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Transnistrian people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Brazilian actresses by ethnic or national origin to Category:Brazilian actresses by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:East German people by ethnic or national origin to Category:East German people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American actresses by ethnic or national origin to Category:American actresses by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Hawaii people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Hawaii people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Filipino politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Filipino politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Middle Eastern people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Middle Eastern people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Moldovan politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Moldovan politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cebuano people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Cebuano people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Swedish politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Swedish politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:05, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American photographers by ethnic or national origin to Category:American photographers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:05, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Indonesian politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Indonesian politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:05, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Romanian politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Romanian politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:03, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American academics by ethnic or national origin to Category:American academics by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:03, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American short story writers by ethnic or national origin to Category:American short story writers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:02, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American novelists by ethnic or national origin to Category:American novelists by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:02, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American dramatists and playwrights by ethnic or national origin to Category:American dramatists and playwrights by descent – C2A. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:02, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American poets by ethnic or national origin to Category:American poets by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian trade unionists by ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian trade unionists by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian writers by ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian writers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian families by ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian families by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:00, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Turks and Caicos Islands people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Turks and Caicos Islands people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Montserratian people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Montserratian people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Manx people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Manx people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Jersey people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Jersey people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Guernsey people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Guernsey people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Caymanian people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Caymanian people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:United States Virgin Islands people by ethnic or national origin to Category:United States Virgin Islands people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Sint Maarten people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Sint Maarten people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Saint Martinois people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Saint Martinois people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Martiniquais people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Martiniquais people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:People from Overseas France by ethnic or national origin to Category:People from Overseas France by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Guadeloupean people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Guadeloupean people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Curaçao people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Curaçao people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Aruban people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Aruban people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Caribbean people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Caribbean people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Anguillan people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Anguillan people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:55, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:British writers by ethnic or national origin to Category:British writers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:55, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Welsh people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Welsh people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:54, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Scottish people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Scottish people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:54, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:People from British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies by ethnic or national origin to Category:People from British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:54, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:People from Northern Ireland by ethnic or national origin to Category:People from Northern Ireland by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:53, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American writers by ethnic or national origin to Category:American writers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:51, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American trade unionists by ethnic or national origin to Category:American trade unionists by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:50, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American scientists by ethnic or national origin to Category:American scientists by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:50, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American professional wrestlers by ethnic or national origin to Category:American professional wrestlers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:50, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:American politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:50, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American physicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:American physicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:50, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American musicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:American musicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American models by ethnic or national origin to Category:American models by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American military personnel by ethnic or national origin to Category:American military personnel by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American lawyers by ethnic or national origin to Category:American lawyers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American journalists by ethnic or national origin to Category:American journalists by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American film directors by ethnic or national origin to Category:American film directors by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:48, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American educators by ethnic or national origin to Category:American educators by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:48, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American comedians by ethnic or national origin to Category:American comedians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:48, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American aviators by ethnic or national origin to Category:American aviators by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:48, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American artists by ethnic or national origin to Category:American artists by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:48, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American architects by ethnic or national origin to Category:American architects by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:47, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American actors by ethnic or national origin to Category:American actors by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:47, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American activists by ethnic or national origin to Category:American activists by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:46, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American people by occupation and ethnic or national origin to Category:American people by occupation and descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:45, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American people by ethnic or national origin and occupation to Category:American people by descent and occupation – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:44, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:English people by ethnic or national origin to Category:English people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:43, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for now to all by ethnic or national origin nominations. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 08:35, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- The existing wording sounds more natural and is easier to understand. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 14:34, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- A first attempt to resolve this is here at full discussion: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_March_30#Category:English_people_by_ethnic_or_national_origin and Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_9#Category:Swedish_politicians_by_ethnic_or_national_origin. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:50, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
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