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This should probably be merged into {{who}}, with an added flag | with a value of yes (use "by whom" form) or anything else/blank (go with {{who}}'s default wording). Would require a bot to replace the instances already deployed, which are all over the place. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 09:56, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A straight replace seems ok to me. Some of the redirects were formerly redirects to "who" anyway. Rich Farmbrough, 20:38 27 September 2008 (UTC).

See [1] for example. Caused by [2]. Headbomb {^ταλκ_{κοντριβς} – WP Physics} 08:14, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reverted by me, and Rich informed. Tonywalton ^Talk 17:40, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Resolved

Rich Farmbrough, 17:47 31 March 2009 (UTC).

When I write "{{says who}}" in the offending subjective text, I wish a verb in the template such as ^{[claimed by whome?]}, not a simple ^{[by whome?]}. "By whome?" doesn't explain what I'm after: I wish that this sentence is rewritten to a sourced citation. If a "claimed" is appended before the rest, I signal that I wish to know

"who claims? Please add the name, address, shoe number and hat number of the claimant, and also add a citation!"

If "claim" is missing in the template, there simply are to many verbs to choose between, such as "worn by whome", "eaten by whome", "rejected by whome", "hailed by whome". ... said: Rursus (^mbork³) 13:26, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

BTW: shoe number reveals whether they're dwarves, the rest is obvious. ... said: Rursus (^mbork³) 13:29, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I altered {{says who}} to not redirect here. On the other hand the doc is unified between the two templates. ... said: Rursus (^mbork³) 17:07, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This message is to inform people monitoring this talk page that there is an "editprotected" request involving this and several other templates at Template talk:! cymru.lass ^{(hit me up)}⁄_{(background check)} 20:10, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The title parameter's text begins T he material, but it should begin The material; i.e. there is an extraneous space. Gorobay (talk) 16:32, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Done -- WOSlinker (talk) 19:21, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Whenever this template seems to be commonly used, say like this: "It has been suggested [by whom]" it is grammatically incorrect, I believe. This is one of those less common cases where whom is used when who ought to be. Dissecting the sentence, "it" is the object, "suggested" is the "verb" and "who" is the subject. "Whom" is only used when it is on the receiving end of the verb (i.e. when it is the object, "whom did you call?"). Who is used when it is doing the action, which it seems to be. ("who called you?") Perhaps we can change this template OR make an alternate "by who?" template. Why am I drawing this distinction? Well, it seems to me that if you say "by whom" you are trying to follow the who/whom distinctions, but that is incorrect. Please, a grammarian help me! Correct me if I'm wrong! Sansveni (talk) 00:13, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're wrong. "by whom" is a prepositional phrase, and in a prepositional phrase we use the object form (where that matters). A useful trick for "who" vs "whom" is to replace it with "he" or "him" and see if it makes sense, although you may have to take into account Wh-movement. Anomie⚔ 15:39, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please | link = Wikipedia:Avoid weasel words to | link = Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words#Unsupported_attributions to avoid the redirect. -- Cheers, Riley 03:09, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 11:46, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Per the who template i would suggest adding the same 'Visual effect' example under the usage header. Also, wouldn't it be better to also use {{By whom|{{subst:DATE}}}} instead of manually adding the date? Husky ^{(talk page)} 23:26, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This second point I don't see. There is no way to add the date automatically. We simply copy the code from the documentation page, or yes, type it out. Debresser (talk) 01:38, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In any case the template documentation is in a separate page, Template:By whom/doc, which is not protected. You don't need to ask other editors to edit the documentation for you. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:44, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This was recently found in the lead at Google Play:

Many applications can be targeted to specific users based on a particular hardware attribute of their device, such as a motion sensor (for motion-dependent games) or a front-facing camera (for online video calling).

The dubious grammatical structure set off my brochureware alarm, and I waded in with a sledge hammer. Then I started actually thinking.

Many applications can be targeted to specific users based on a particular hardware attribute of their device, such as a motion sensor (for motion-dependent games) or a front-facing camera (for online video calling).

What makes this come across as brochureware is that both "many" and "can be" are qualitative restrictions cooking in the same kitchen. Then "based on" wades into the conversation, and you don't know which chef to slay. It shouldn't be the reader's job to decide this (therefore brochureware rarely passes such a golden opportunity up).

Had I been in a blind hurry, I might have wanted to handle the problem like this:

Many applications can be^{[by whom?]} targeted to specific users based on a particular hardware attribute of their device, such as a motion sensor (for motion-dependent games) or a front-facing camera (for online video calling).

Not only are there two chefs in the kitchen, but there are many other parties at the table holding knives, and looking vaguely chef-like.

Where this wants to go is something like this (but more gracefully worded):

Where appropriate, application developers may selectively target users of suitable devices based by feature requisite, as commonly practiced when an application depends on a particular hardware attribute of the device, such as a motion sensor (for motion-dependent games) or a front-facing camera (for online video calling).

I don't seem to be able to get the tone right on this sentence (for the audience of this page), so perhaps I would have been better off simply flagging the problem and moving along.

Then I realized that this is actually an unorthodox use case of "by whom", worthy of explicit mention.

• by whose authority
• by whose agency

If this template ought not cover the latter, what template should? And how will the average spot-checking diligence bunny such as myself find out? Most usefully, by direct mention in the article here. (A spot-checking diligence bunny RTFMs all the time, but never front to back, and thus relies immensely on prominent "see also"s link-farmed at the usual suspects.) — MaxEnt 19:37, 23 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jonesey95, It looks like there is no parameter checking here, like in {{cn}}. I just ran across a {{by whom}} with "July 2020" instead of "date=July 2020"; there was no error and it was not put in the correct monthly category. MB 03:52, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Please ping me if I messed anything up. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:22, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]